New manager thread

[Abro100]

The last few pages on here are a right bitch fest!!

Rodgers or Martinez who ever it is I am sure both of them will grab the opportunity with both hands because they know it is a once in a lifetime opportunity.

It would be easy for them to stay where they are at the moment, they are both living legends at there current clubs and the fact they are both interested in the job is a testimony to there attitude and belief in what they can achieve.

You know where I want to see improvement, in the attitude of the fans, I want to see us looking forward to supporting LFC and not Dalglish or Benitez or whoever camp your in.

I want a good atmosphere on match days, people looking forward to seeing liverpool play some nice football and not if we can nick the odd goal.

Back the players who we have because booing them or slagging them off don't help, remember crouch took 13 games to get a goal and look how well he done.

I'd like to see us play nice passing football with an end product and having a set of players who are comfortable with the ball at their feet. Like we used to have. And no these don't necessary have to be multimillion pound players.

All of this takes time, we are not in the upper echelons of English football at the moment let alone European football and in the current game reputation means very little.

Buy players who want to come here to improve as a player and not ones who want to come for a big pay packet as there only reason.

It's a rebuilding process at Liverpool not a case of slotting in a few players and hoping for the best. I am talking about a change of training a change of playing, recruitment, tactics, positioning, work ethnic and attitude.

I am talking about going back to when Houllier took over the club and how much that man done for LFC because we would be far worse off now than if he hadn't of took over. It's going to take something of that magnitude again.

The academy is already on the way with the ex Barcelona personnel in charge and maybe in a few years that will start baring fruit, but what is the point of playing that style of football in the reserves if the 1st team can't pass it around like that.

All this talk about winning two cups and Finishing fourth next season will be the only sign of improvement are well wide of the mark. Let's start by improving the basics first before looking at the cups and league positions.

[little dave hedgehog]

The last few pages on here are a right bitch fest!!

Rodgers or Martinez who ever it is I am sure both of them will grab the opportunity with both hands because they know it is a once in a lifetime opportunity.

It would be easy for them to stay where they are at the moment, they are both living legends at there current clubs and the fact they are both interested in the job is a testimony to there attitude and belief in what they can achieve.

You know where I want to see improvement, in the attitude of the fans, I want to see us looking forward to supporting LFC and not Dalglish or Benitez or whoever camp your in.

I want a good atmosphere on match days, people looking forward to seeing liverpool play some nice football and not if we can nick the odd goal.

Back the players who we have because booing them or slagging them off don't help, remember crouch took 13 games to get a goal and look how well he done.

I'd like to see us play nice passing football with an end product and having a set of players who are comfortable with the ball at their feet. Like we used to have. And no these don't necessary have to be multimillion pound players.

All of this takes time, we are not in the upper echelons of English football at the moment let alone European football and in the current game reputation means very little.

Buy players who want to come here to improve as a player and not ones who want to come for a big pay packet as there only reason.

It's a rebuilding process at Liverpool not a case of slotting in a few players and hoping for the best. I am talking about a change of training a change of playing, recruitment, tactics, positioning, work ethnic and attitude.

I am talking about going back to when Houllier took over the club and how much that man done for LFC because we would be far worse off now than if he hadn't of took over. It's going to take something of that magnitude again.

The academy is already on the way with the ex Barcelona personnel in charge and maybe in a few years that will start baring fruit, but what is the point of playing that style of football in the reserves if the 1st team can't pass it around like that.

All this talk about winning two cups and Finishing fourth next season will be the only sign of improvement are well wide of the mark. Let's start by improving the basics first before looking at the cups and league positions.

[Rigadon]

The last few pages on here are a right bitch fest!!

Rodgers or Martinez who ever it is I am sure both of them will grab the opportunity with both hands because they know it is a once in a lifetime opportunity.

It would be easy for them to stay where they are at the moment, they are both living legends at there current clubs and the fact they are both interested in the job is a testimony to there attitude and belief in what they can achieve.

You know where I want to see improvement, in the attitude of the fans, I want to see us looking forward to supporting LFC and not Dalglish or Benitez or whoever camp your in.

I want a good atmosphere on match days, people looking forward to seeing liverpool play some nice football and not if we can nick the odd goal.

Back the players who we have because booing them or slagging them off don't help, remember crouch took 13 games to get a goal and look how well he done.

I'd like to see us play nice passing football with an end product and having a set of players who are comfortable with the ball at their feet. Like we used to have. And no these don't necessary have to be multimillion pound players.

All of this takes time, we are not in the upper echelons of English football at the moment let alone European football and in the current game reputation means very little.

Buy players who want to come here to improve as a player and not ones who want to come for a big pay packet as there only reason.

It's a rebuilding process at Liverpool not a case of slotting in a few players and hoping for the best. I am talking about a change of training a change of playing, recruitment, tactics, positioning, work ethnic and attitude.

I am talking about going back to when Houllier took over the club and how much that man done for LFC because we would be far worse off now than if he hadn't of took over. It's going to take something of that magnitude again.

The academy is already on the way with the ex Barcelona personnel in charge and maybe in a few years that will start baring fruit, but what is the point of playing that style of football in the reserves if the 1st team can't pass it around like that.

All this talk about winning two cups and Finishing fourth next season will be the only sign of improvement are well wide of the mark. Let's start by improving the basics first before looking at the cups and league positions.

Good post, Abro

And you're quite right about the fans - we need to look to the future and support the team/manager/club going forward.

Especially liked the bit about 'work ethnic and attitude'

[Abro100]

Good post, Abro

And you're quite right about the fans - we need to look to the future and support the team/manager/club going forward.

Especially liked the bit about 'work ethnic and attitude'

It's the un-predictive text on my phone

[Fosterbloke]

Well, if they have acted honorably, I would have trusted them more ... Unfortunately, the latest signs are not good ... They have sacked a hugely popular manager with a legendary status at the club, and are pursuing unproven young and cheap managers as his replacement

Don't be a penis. They are within their rights to sack a manager regardless of status (Didn't Kenny himself that nobody is bigger than the club?) if they feel their club isn't heading in the right direction.

They haven't bad mouthed him or told any lies, just that they don't believe we're moving in the right direction. What's good for their investment is also good for us as investors as we both want the same thing; success.

... They are refusing to pursue top candidates like Rafa or Capello, who have been available and willing to take over the job ... They have sacked their own Director of Football, and according to our club's Managing Director, they have no plans of replacing him directly ... They have appointed Ian Ayre for the day-to-day running of the club, knowing that he has failed miserably in the same role at a much smaller club like Huddersfield ... No progress at all has been made with the new stadium ... As much as I would like to be positive, everything point out to the opposite ...

Do you know for a certainty what they are doing behind the scenes? No I doubt it. You're only seeing what the media are feeding you.

You are quite within your right to be concerned but do you have to bang on about it in every post?

[Nicey]

God most people are just thick as mud, so dense light literally bends around there ****ing heads ....they take everything they read in the papers as gospel, they comment on ****ing Managing Directors like they actually know what they do, what they have done or what they are planning to do, they act like they know better than people who have made millions in the business in sport, why ? because they watch football on the tele when they are not fixing cars for a living. The MD of Liverpool is universal hated, all of them, as are the owners ... all of them ... the only people who get a pass it seems are the players ... Who have been **** for a long time

[colin85]

Has Pep said no?

[Macedonian_Red]

Don't be a penis. They are within their rights to sack a manager regardless of status (Didn't Kenny himself that nobody is bigger than the club?) if they feel their club isn't heading in the right direction.

They haven't bad mouthed him or told any lies, just that they don't believe we're moving in the right direction. What's good for their investment is also good for us as investors as we both want the same thing; success.

Do you know for a certainty what they are doing behind the scenes? No I doubt it. You're only seeing what the media are feeding you.

You are quite within your right to be concerned but do you have to bang on about it in every post?

It is really interesting how many of our fans desperately want to believe that FSG are the right people for the club, even though their actions are showing a completely different picture ... Than again, we were having this very same discussion with many of our fans when Gillett and Hicks have started to show their real face ... So far, FSG have been a complete failure as owners ...

[Frenchie]

It is really interesting how many of our fans desperately want to believe that FSG are the right people for the club, even though their actions are showing a completely different picture ... Than again, we were having this very same discussion with many of our fans when Gillett and Hicks have started to show their real face ... So far, FSG have been a complete failure as owners ...

are you 'avin' a bobble 'at n' scarf?

[Mattshark]

I'm not so sure. Unless you can convince me otherwise. Henderson had stats written all over his performance and inclusion last year.

If you look past his chance creation numbers, a lot of his attacking stats don't look good, shooting, assist rate etc are all very average to poor, I believe his chance creation/assist rate was about 6.5% at Sunderland, actually lower than our teams rate last season. His inclusion in the team so much last season is imo, not stat related. Aside from his passing stat, his stats are not great.

[Mattshark]

Matt you keep saying this but how do you know? Relying on a simplistic version of it could very well be a reason why one or both were sacked rather than evidence it wasn't being used.

Just looking at the players overall stats suggest so imo. It is one thing saying a these players created lots of chances, but it is something completely different when you look at the details.

I did post some details previously of why I thought it wasn't used. Basically when it gets to such a simple level, I think it stops being sabermetrics, all clubs use stats to a degree, but just looking at a little bit more depth (such as chances created to assists for example) suggests that if stats were used, they were used in an immensely superficial manner. That imo, is not sabermetrics.

[cannotmakeit]

would anyone be surprise if it turns out to be Martinez as DOF and Rodger as manager/coach?

[Macedonian_Red]

are you 'avin' a bobble 'at n' scarf?

Nope, I am merely pointing out the obvious ... First and foremost, they have failed to produce stability at the club ... You might like or dislike Kenny and Comolli, but they were FSG's appointments and were sacked at the first sign of trouble ... It is not a surprise that even the mid-level managers are having second thoughts about taking over the job at LFC, when we are a club with no direction and no plan ... Moores and Parry were utterly incompetent, yet when they decided to sack Ged, they have approached the best two young managers in Europe at the time, and convinced one of them to take over the job ... What are FSG doing? They are pursuing Martinez and Rodgers, two managers that shouldn't be even considered for the job at a big club like LFC ... I know that most of our fans will try to remain positive as long as possible, but there are obvious signs that we are a club in a mess ...

[Frenchie]

and you know all this from being part of the club I assume or is it guesswork?

[little dave hedgehog]

should i post it again, for effect?