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  • Mattshark
    Still Blames Thatcher
    • Aug 2006
    • 24691

    #5881
    Originally posted by Red_Polo
    So you decide based on how well the idea is applied as to whether you want to call it that?
    Well that is kind of how it works, sabermetrics isn't just looking at basic figures.
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    • Red_Polo
      Takin' Her Easy
      • Jul 2006
      • 35520

      #5882
      Originally posted by Mattshark
      Well that is kind of how it works, sabermetrics isn't just looking at basic figures.
      Maybe if it's done well it's not, but it's not defined by use of specific criteria at all let alone in football so it doesn't have to be. It's purely your say so. It's just objective statistical analysis of a player's value to their sport team, specifically baseball if you really want to be anal.
      Like blood on iron

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      • paulg
        Dalglish
        • Jul 2008
        • 3025

        #5883
        I never wanted Rafa to leave, and I wanted him to return once Kenny was sacked. Why? Because he's one of the few managers available who has / had a long term vision for our club. Houllier had it too, but ill health put a stop to that.

        The more I read about Rodgers, the more I'm warming to him. I don't necessarily buy the theory that if he's young and unproven he can't step up. To me, it's about attitude and vision. I hoped Kenny still had it but I now don't think he did, much to my sadness.
        Rodgers has a vision, a philosophy, an eye for detail. All of the things Rafa had, but without the baggage or pig headedness that Rafa showed. Rafa fought the owners, but we all knew how that would end. If Rodgers is willing to work under a DoF who can protect and guide him, help keep the baying wolves of expectation calm, then I think we can have a very bright future.
        LFC needs to be great again and that can only happen with owners and a manager who have long term vision. Which we have and are looking for.
        The future may just be very bright, I am hoping so.

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        • ronanm
          Shankly
          • Aug 2006
          • 5652

          #5884
          I would prefer Moyes to Rodgers or Martinez.
          Substance > Style

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          • Pablo
            Anti-Antipodeanite
            • May 2007
            • 25808

            #5885
            Originally posted by ronanm
            I would prefer Moyes to Rodgers or Martinez.

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            • bonzai
              Fagan
              • Jul 2006
              • 1365

              #5886
              Originally posted by ronanm
              I would prefer Moyes to Rodgers or Martinez.
              Now that's just silly, WUM?

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              • ronanm
                Shankly
                • Aug 2006
                • 5652

                #5887
                I am serious. He has done a better job on a budget that either Rodgers or Martinez.
                Substance > Style

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                • Muddled
                  Meat Shield
                  • Jul 2010
                  • 25665

                  #5888
                  Originally posted by ronanm
                  I would prefer Moyes to Rodgers or Martinez.


                  This thread has *everything*.

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                  • dom9
                    Ant Pisser
                    • Aug 2006
                    • 69011

                    #5889
                    Originally posted by ronanm
                    I am serious. He has done a better job on a budget that either Rodgers or Martinez.
                    Oh I don't know.

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                    • Vermilion
                      Shooterista
                      • Dec 2007
                      • 32026

                      #5890
                      Thing is, if the greater non lfc football public were to be asked, they would probably say that Moyes is a safer pair of hands. imo.

                      Not sure what that says about them or Moyes, but i do believe most would have that opinion.
                      Last edited by Vermilion; 30-05-12, 10:12 AM.

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                      • Muddled
                        Meat Shield
                        • Jul 2010
                        • 25665

                        #5891
                        Originally posted by ronanm
                        I am serious.
                        Ah.

                        Originally posted by ronanm
                        He has done a better job on a budget that either Rodgers or Martinez.
                        When you say 'better job', what do you mean?

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                        • Tee
                          El Pistolero
                          • Jul 2006
                          • 35788

                          #5892
                          Originally posted by ronanm
                          I am serious. He has done a better job on a budget that either Rodgers or Martinez.
                          "Its not about the long ball or the short ball, its about the right ball." Bob Paisley

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                          • Mattshark
                            Still Blames Thatcher
                            • Aug 2006
                            • 24691

                            #5893
                            Originally posted by Red_Polo
                            Maybe if it's done well it's not, but it's not defined by use of specific criteria at all let alone in football so it doesn't have to be. It's purely your say so. It's just objective statistical analysis of a player's value to their sport team, specifically baseball if you really want to be anal.
                            All teams use stats though, that doesn't mean they use sabermetrics. The argument in favour of us doing so are extremely weak at best.
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                            • Vermilion
                              Shooterista
                              • Dec 2007
                              • 32026

                              #5894
                              Originally posted by Muddled
                              Ah.



                              When you say 'better job', what do you mean?
                              Think he means finishing top 4, and higher up the table ?

                              Can't think of anything else and tbf, had Martinez or Rogers achieved such, many would be citing it as a reason for hiring them.
                              Last edited by Vermilion; 30-05-12, 10:17 AM.

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                              • Lecter
                                Nicked from elsewhere
                                • Jul 2006
                                • 18261

                                #5895
                                Originally posted by Vermilion
                                Thing is, if the greater non lfc football public were to be asked, they would probably say that Moyes is a safer pair of hands. imo.

                                Not sure what that says about them or Moyes, but i do believe most would have that opinion.


                                But then the greater wider public also rate Roy highly
                                Bob Paisley - "This club has been my life. I'd go out and sweep the street and be proud to do it for Liverpool if they asked me to."

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