[PL] Southampton (A): Post Match

[breffniboy]

Benteke was his usual shambling self when he came on and just slowed the whole thing down, he's a boy amongst men and an awfully awfully brittle and frail footballer, mentally speaking. It's literally incredible to watch that ****ing impostor and think we spunked 32million on him. Just cannot ****ing believe how ****e he is. He was hoping to win another peno late on so he could make some sort of contribution - just pure desperation stuff. Wretched. And I hate his ****ing ears and all.

After the hosing he's got already on these pages and elsewhere, Skrtel needs no more lambasting but deserves no less either, although I have to ask the question: is it too much to expect ****ing Mignolet to be able to boot a ball down field properly after it has been rolled back to him? Another ****er who's not even the first cousin of a premier league goalkeeper. Shot-stopper be damned, he can't do the basics so just **** him off to ****.

[danperkins]

Yeah whilst I don't condone the stuff said about Skrtel, he did stink the ****ing place out. I think people are forgetting that others were involved in this capitulation. One player does not make the other 10 stop playing. Benteke, Allen, Mig, Sakho & The entire midfield should take some of the blame for the Southampton goals too. People are angry but I'd probably suggest looking at Southampton's goals again. People keep saying how Skrtel changed the game, personally I think it was more got to do with Mane & Wanyama, and Southampton actually waking up and starting to play football. They are a good side, they started to play & we bottled it.... nothing new there. We don't win when it matters, that's our problem. "If" it is a case where one player came on and affected another 10 players with his ****ness and panic... well then we have something fundamentally wrong at LFC.

I personally think Klopp made the wrong subs, at the wrong times... but it's unpopular to criticise him at the moment so it seems.

[dom9]

What's been said about him that you don't condone?

[TheElephantMan]

I don't see any problem with criticising Klopp for his substitutions, you're right - he chose the wrong options. As others have said hopefully he will learn something about the mentality of certain players. That was Klopp's worst game for us, he should know the players by now.

[RichC]

Every single goal was down to Skrtel, he was rash made mistakes and generated panic throughout the side yesterday, any defence of him on yesterday's performance is quite frankly laughable!

Klopp also has to take some of the blame for bringing the clown on in the first place, hopefully it'll be the last we ever see of him in the first team

[Alex]

Yeah whilst I don't condone the stuff said about Skrtel, he did stink the ****ing place out. I think people are forgetting that others were involved in this capitulation. One player does not make the other 10 stop playing. Benteke, Allen, Mig, Sakho & The entire midfield should take some of the blame for the Southampton goals too. People are angry but I'd probably suggest looking at Southampton's goals again. People keep saying how Skrtel changed the game, personally I think it was more got to do with Mane & Wanyama, and Southampton actually waking up and starting to play football. They are a good side, they started to play & we bottled it.... nothing new there. We don't win when it matters, that's our problem. "If" it is a case where one player came on and affected another 10 players with his ****ness and panic... well then we have something fundamentally wrong at LFC.

I personally think Klopp made the wrong subs, at the wrong times... but it's unpopular to criticise him at the moment so it seems.

A lot of the time I think reactions on players is extreme and not needed. However after yesterdays **** show its justified.

I honestly think we would have been better off with 10 men. His lack of composure was a virus on the rest of the team. Pulling shirts, getting pushed off the ball, not tackling.....anyone. It just all added up to pile more pressure on us.

Sure Mane and Wanyama helped Southampton. But Skrtel seemed to help them more.

[Phoenix07]

Mane and Wanyama offered them pace and power, which is exactly what we hate (and need in our side)
Skrtel and Benteke offered the exact opposite. Four substitutions changed the game in Southampton's favour. Two from Koeman, and two from Klopp.

The players were looking leggy as well, which shows we haven't quite adapted to the demands of two games a week yet, or we lacked the intelligence to take the sting out of the game and slow things down. Skrtel came on and things started to appear rushed.

[Fierce]

Yeah whilst I don't condone the stuff said about Skrtel, he did stink the ****ing place out. I think people are forgetting that others were involved in this capitulation. One player does not make the other 10 stop playing. Benteke, Allen, Mig, Sakho & The entire midfield should take some of the blame for the Southampton goals too. People are angry but I'd probably suggest looking at Southampton's goals again. People keep saying how Skrtel changed the game, personally I think it was more got to do with Mane & Wanyama, and Southampton actually waking up and starting to play football. They are a good side, they started to play & we bottled it.... nothing new there. We don't win when it matters, that's our problem. "If" it is a case where one player came on and affected another 10 players with his ****ness and panic... well then we have something fundamentally wrong at LFC.

I personally think Klopp made the wrong subs, at the wrong times... but it's unpopular to criticise him at the moment so it seems.

I agree that Mane and Wanyama were the difference for them, but I honestly believe that us shipping 3 goals was as a direct result of Skrtel

I also don't think he's quite as bad overall as is sometimes made out on here, but he was absolutely at fault yesterday.
He sits back and gives the attacker too much space in front of him, and when that attacker invariably gets past or alongside him, he resorts to pulling the shirt
In addition he seems to play 2 seconds behind Sakho and as a result Sakho cannot play the high line, so flaps like **** trying to cover the player that is now onside, and shouldn't be

But yeah, one player coming on and breaking things is an issue. But then if that player is a central defender it's understandable

[Sorry Nicey] Bringing him on for Lovren was a massive, calamitous error. Unless he had an injury, it's a terrible sub.

[Harv]

Embarrassing walking into the office this morning after that ****ing horror show.

Skrtl is diabolical, you could see the panic set in from the moment he stepped foot on the pitch. Ming went to ****, Sakho started running around in circles. Flanno looked like he'd never played football before and Clyne was all over the shop.

Skrtl should never play for us again unless we have absolutely no choice. He's **** and he's been **** ever since Hyypia and Carra weren't babysitting him anymore.

Felt sorry for Allen in midfield. He was battling his arse off against Wanyamamama, but the poor little fella had no chance against that manbearpig. He's a ****ing unit and a half. Looked like a 5 year old kid trying to tackle his big brother and just bouncing off him

The worst part is that we were so good in that first half, fully deserved to be 4 up and then the ****ing Mancs beat City. We'd be 4 points off 4th FFS.

[Fosterbloke]

Embarrassing walking into the office this morning after that ****ing horror show.

Why? Is your name Martin Skrtel?

[danperkins]

What's been said about him that you don't condone?

don't make me copy and paste the tripe that has been spouted over the past few months. I get the impression you're on a wind up anyways as per

[danperkins]

I agree that Mane and Wanyama were the difference for them, but I honestly believe that us shipping 3 goals was as a direct result of Skrtel

I also don't think he's quite as bad overall as is sometimes made out on here, but he was absolutely at fault yesterday.
He sits back and gives the attacker too much space in front of him, and when that attacker invariably gets past or alongside him, he resorts to pulling the shirt
In addition he seems to play 2 seconds behind Sakho and as a result Sakho cannot play the high line, so flaps like **** trying to cover the player that is now onside, and shouldn't be

But yeah, one player coming on and breaking things is an issue. But then if that player is a central defender it's understandable

[Sorry Nicey] Bringing him on for Lovren was a massive, calamitous error. Unless he had an injury, it's a terrible sub.

a fair post

[EwarWoo]

[Sorry Nicey] Bringing him on for Lovren was a massive, calamitous error. Unless he had an injury, it's a terrible sub.

Not sure I agree.

Lovren was having an off game, we were 2 goals up, what better time could there possibly be to fetch on your back-up CB to give him a chance to prove himself.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but who could have predicted that? Not even his biggest detractors could see that coming.

Not saying this as a member of the Klopp fan club, as far as I'm concerned juries still out there, but in the interest of fairness that wasn't his fault. He did the right thing IMO.

[Chris]

Embarrassing walking into the office this morning after that ****ing horror show.

Skrtl is diabolical, you could see the panic set in from the moment he stepped foot on the pitch. Ming went to ****, Sakho started running around in circles. Flanno looked like he'd never played football before and Clyne was all over the shop.

Skrtl should never play for us again unless we have absolutely no choice. He's **** and he's been **** ever since Hyypia and Carra weren't babysitting him anymore.

Felt sorry for Allen in midfield. He was battling his arse off against Wanyamamama, but the poor little fella had no chance against that manbearpig. He's a ****ing unit and a half. Looked like a 5 year old kid trying to tackle his big brother and just bouncing off him

The worst part is that we were so good in that first half, fully deserved to be 4 up and then the ****ing Mancs beat City. We'd be 4 points off 4th FFS.

Yep. And some still cant admit they got him hopelessly wrong! Instead this time it's Mane's fault, Klopp's fault, lack of fitness fault. Hilarious. The fella is just ****ing dismal. He ****s up everything, leaves gaps everywhere, drops too deep, can't win any duels, players have to move across, cover, drop back themselves and it's a complete cluster**** of chaos.

Rock solid for nearly 2 months then he comes back in and we go to ****, it's not a coincidence. Lucas and Can, midfielders have slotted back there at times like they've played their whole careers there yet this fella isn't even competent enough to be brought on at 2-0 up in his "proper" position. A complete liability and has been for years.

The only possible positive is that's the end of him here. Then again, he made a complete show of himself in a reserve game the other day, got sent off and cost them the game then is rewarded with minutes in the first team! So who knows. He is the biggest problem at the club and has been for a long while.

[TheElephantMan]

Not sure I agree.

Lovren was having an off game, we were 2 goals up, what better time could there possibly be to fetch on your back-up CB to give him a chance to prove himself.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but who could have predicted that? Not even his biggest detractors could see that coming.

Not saying this as a member of the Klopp fan club, as far as I'm concerned juries still out there, but in the interest of fairness that wasn't his fault. He did the right thing IMO.

I think most people would have predicted that, just read the match thread.