Arne Slot

[Daniel 7]

The only thing that could bring about a more speedy change is that we are still in the CL and FA Cup (at least until Friday) and a new manager can perhaps bring impetus. If we fail then he can blame Arne, and use the rest of this season to begin planning for next season.

My gut feel is that everything is already planned out and decisions have already been made. It would also explain the current apathy within the team. Player for player they nearly all look totally out of sorts. There are a few players that get more focus, but everyone is playing fairly ****.

It feels a lot like the back end of Brendan when you think about the players and the body language. It also reminds me a lot of the back end of Houllier - the terrible football, the spiky press conferences, the endless excuses and the whole world questioning team selection. Heskey and Gakpo feel similar too.

I agree about the planned out thing, I'd imagine they've already got a fair idea of who the manager is going to be in July, and it won't be Arne Slot.

[Doc_Piptorious]

Tell me that it's Simone Inzaghi and I might be sold on it.


Would see him as a gamble like any other appointment, but reckon he ticks so many of the boxes we need to be ticked.

Was talks that he had been learning English whilst in Saudi as a lot of the homegrown players speak it as their second language.

[pondus]

Fired yet?

[Buzzo]

It feels a lot like the back end of Brendan when you think about the players and the body language. It also reminds me a lot of the back end of Houllier - the terrible football, the spiky press conferences, the endless excuses and the whole world questioning team selection. Heskey and Gakpo feel similar too.

I agree about the planned out thing, I'd imagine they've already got a fair idea of who the manager is going to be in July, and it won't be Arne Slot.

Definitely. Those are the two managers who all most took us to the next level also and then fell away badly, I’d say the similarities with Brendan especially. Though Arne is way less of a PR bull**** merchant than Brendan.

Arne comes across as a manager who knows he is cooked. His ‘the games ****’ comments kind of cemented that for me. Although I do agree with him on that point, I just cannot influence a change the outcomes in the way he can

[Buzzo]

Klopp must hate watching us.

We are now the antithesis of everything he was about.

[kingfunk]

Imagine Klopp watch this on the sideline… https://www.reddit.com/r/LiverpoolFC/s/IAwOGgSvy6

[Catrin]

I suppose historically managers have been categorised as either tacticians or motivators, with the greats e.g. Jurgen, being both. Mourinho at his peak was both. Rafa motivated through instilling belief i.e. "if I do what he says we'll win." Where does Arne fit?

Last season most of us would have classed Arne as a tactician with how his little tweaks had turned Jurgen's side into champions. I don't think any of us knew enough to claim he was also a motivator. This season, he doesn't seem to fit into either category. It has taken a long time for us to look like there is any tactical plan for how we move the ball around. In attack it all seems off the cuff. I can't remember the last time we scored a team goal. What are Arne's tactical instructions to Gakpo? Cut in on your right and shoot?

How about Alonso? If I remember correctly every time he has brought a team to Anfield he has lost. Can anyone imagine him inspiring a team to overturn a 3 goal deficit against Messi's Barcelona?

The longer this season goes on the more convinced I am that Arne is a lucky manager whose luck has run out. But I'm not convinced that Alonso is the right replacement.

[Doc_Piptorious]

I suppose historically managers have been categorised as either tacticians or motivators, with the greats e.g. Jurgen, being both. Mourinho at his peak was both. Rafa motivated through instilling belief i.e. "if I do what he says we'll win." Where does Arne fit?

Last season most of us would have classed Arne as a tactician with how his little tweaks had turned Jurgen's side into champions. I don't think any of us knew enough to claim he was also a motivator. This season, he doesn't seem to fit into either category. It has taken a long time for us to look like there is any tactical plan for how we move the ball around. In attack it all seems off the cuff. I can't remember the last time we scored a team goal. What are Arne's tactical instructions to Gakpo? Cut in on your right and shoot?

How about Alonso? If I remember correctly every time he has brought a team to Anfield he has lost. Can anyone imagine him inspiring a team to overturn a 3 goal deficit against Messi's Barcelona?

The longer this season goes on the more convinced I am that Arne is a lucky manager whose luck has run out. But I'm not convinced that Alonso is the right replacement.

Some good questions raised there and ones that will not be answered without the advantage of hindsight I suspect.


Though looking at the league this season, the same sort of form that has been befouling us has been plaguinga lot of other teams too.

The same turgid style of play, the low tempos, the seeming lack of ideas and so on.

In some respects there appears to be a collective malaise and a collective regression away from clever tactics with the advantage swinging towards the less tactical or the overly cynical as a result. Everyone else then strugling to adapt to the new order.

[5europeancups]

I have the impression that Liverpool are playing with passengers at the moment. Salah doesn't merit hs place in the team and seems to be obsessed by not getting injured rather than putting it all out for the team.

Everyone calls for Rio but he is still very much a raw talent and gave the ball away quite a few times which is something gapko doesn't do , but then he doesn't do much else either.

Chiesa cant possibly get into any form playing only 10 minutes a week.

with other players having to compensate for less enthusiastic or motivated individuals its no wonder mistakes get made.

I think that right now something is wrong from a vibe point of view at Liverpool and there is little togetherness.

I think its time for a change.

[Catrin]

I have the impression that Liverpool are playing with passengers at the moment. Salah doesn't merit hs place in the team and seems to be obsessed by not getting injured rather than putting it all out for the team.

Everyone calls for Rio but he is still very much a raw talent and gave the ball away quite a few times which is something gapko doesn't do , but then he doesn't do much else either.

Chiesa cant possibly get into any form playing only 10 minutes a week.

with other players having to compensate for less enthusiastic or motivated individuals its no wonder mistakes get made.

I think that right now something is wrong from a vibe point of view at Liverpool and there is little togetherness.

I think its time for a change.

At the start of the season I was convinced that Mo was saving himself for what was probably his last chance to win AFCON. Post-AFCON, I still think there was an element of him saving himself but also that he just doesn't have it in him physically anymore. He probably still runs as far but not as quickly as he used to be able to.

I'm not sure Chiesa is any quicker than Mo so for me if there's a space for him in the team it's as a 10.

[Doc_Piptorious]

At the start of the season I was convinced that Mo was saving himself for what was probably his last chance to win AFCON. Post-AFCON, I still think there was an element of him saving himself but also that he just doesn't have it in him physically anymore. He probably still runs as far but not as quickly as he used to be able to.

I'm not sure Chiesa is any quicker than Mo so for me if there's a space for him in the team it's as a 10.

Chiesa may not be quicker but he will harry defenders, track back, link play and keep going for every minute he is on the pitch.

Him doing that alone on the wing is straight away an upgrade and is forcing the other team to commit to defending more against that position.

[Sus]

Tell me that it's Simone Inzaghi and I might be sold on it.


Would see him as a gamble like any other appointment, but reckon he ticks so many of the boxes we need to be ticked.

Was talks that he had been learning English whilst in Saudi as a lot of the homegrown players speak it as their second language.

Why would you be so keen on Inzaghi? I don't watch much of serie A or Inter

[danperkins]

I get it's just an opinion but why are we not good enough to win a knock out competition given some luck plays as big a part as form?


Would agree we are not the favourites to win it, probably somewhere between third and sixth favourite realistically, but in our side of the draw a lot of the big teams are going to knock each other out of it and on the other side of the draw are a number of teams that we have beaten or drawn with (be it in the CL or PL) already this season.


The one competition we have been, for the most part only of course, been far less inconsistent in is the CL and we have done well against the bigger teams we have faced in it this year.

Think, despite the quality left in it, that we have a better chance of going al the way in the CL than we do in the FA cup as there will be far more teams looking to go at us and go toe to toe in the CL, whereas in the FA cup and the PL we will get lots of teams looking to out set piece us, out foul us and out run us.

Do think the eventual winner of the CL this season will come from our side of the draw.

Fine, we can totally win it because nothing is impossible but in reality we are a bang average side with no plan B and barely a plan A.

[Charly]

It feels a lot like the back end of Brendan when you think about the players and the body language. It also reminds me a lot of the back end of Houllier - the terrible football, the spiky press conferences, the endless excuses and the whole world questioning team selection.

And Benitez... and Hodgeson.

We have been here so many times before. Once it reaches this level or turgidness then a manager is done.

I cannot for the life of me work out how it should be working if everyone is fit and playing at their best. We have either bought a load of players for a system that doesnt work for them, or Slot has changed the systems so it doesnt work. Either way it is a total failure in communication all the way down the line.

Slot's response instead of reverting to the system he used last year is to cdouble down on a system that just isnt going to work in the Premier League.

Its the height of arrogance to expect the opposition team to lay down and let us pass them to death. We need to be more physical, more agressive, not less.

We still have a team worth £100s of millions, but are being out fought and out thought by teams with hardly any resources.

Its not a good look for Slot at the moment. He has had the whole season to come up with a solution, but we are still playing exactly the same way with huge gaps in our midfield because Grav doesnt want to sit back and protect the defence, forwards who run like a garden snail, and a defence that falls apart the moment Slot brigs on an attacking sub. Literally nothing is working well anywhere in the team.

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