Man United home Sunday 5th Jan 430pm

[red g]

I would be surprised if the crowd have turned on TAA. He hasnt actually done anything wrong yet, Has he?

[baitman]

If he fancies a change then that's up to him.
We are in the best position we have ever been, so it's not like Owen or McMancaman, who wanted to go for glory, we can have the glory here.
But if his mind is made up then fair enough.
What stinks is the lack of honestly. He has hinted that the club haven't come up with a suitable offer. But would any offer change his mind. I'm of the opinion that his mind is already made up, so why not just say so.
Maybe there is some internal agreement to keep things quiet until the league is done to prevent distraction, in which case he could say a decision will be made once the campaign is over.

[Paul12]

This game is not to be underestimated. ManUre have nearly a week to prepare, so their players will know better where they should be playing.

[dom9]

Maybe we've working on our corners in that time too. They have generally been terrible this season.

[Buzzo]

They can’t get much worse and will undoubtedly rally for a game against us. Amorim’s midfield selection for the Newcastle game should give us some cause for optimism!

[Doc_Piptorious]

Maybe we've working on our corners in that time too. They have generally been terrible this season.

Am curious.

Assuming a good corner is one that ends in a goal, what ration of corners to goals would see us being good at corners in your eyes?


For context, the team generally seen as getting the best return in terms of goals from corners us Arsenal and they have 3 goals from over 50 corners this season.

There are then 6 teams with 2 goals from between 45 and 56 corners.

We have 1 goal from 49 corners and there are a number of other teams with a similar return to us.


Then there are a number of teams with zero goals thus far this season from corners.

Think a month or so ago the average % for the league as a whole in terms of how many corners led to gals was under 3%.

Last season was meant to be an all time high on that front with over 4% of corners leading to goals.


And to flip it a little as I am looking at stats atm, one team in the league has condeded almost 50 corners and is yet to concded a goal from a corner, that team being Forest.

[red g]

This game is not to be underestimated. ManUre have nearly a week to prepare, so their players will know better where they should be playing.

Ugarte and Bruno back for them allready makes them a million times better in Midfield than Newcastle.

Still stuffing them though

[dom9]

Am curious.

Assuming a good corner is one that ends in a goal, what ration of corners to goals would see us being good at corners in your eyes?


For context, the team generally seen as getting the best return in terms of goals from corners us Arsenal and they have 3 goals from over 50 corners this season.

There are then 6 teams with 2 goals from between 45 and 56 corners.

We have 1 goal from 49 corners and there are a number of other teams with a similar return to us.


Then there are a number of teams with zero goals thus far this season from corners.

Think a month or so ago the average % for the league as a whole in terms of how many corners led to gals was under 3%.

Last season was meant to be an all time high on that front with over 4% of corners leading to goals.


And to flip it a little as I am looking at stats atm, one team in the league has condeded almost 50 corners and is yet to concded a goal from a corner, that team being Forest.

Right now I'd just settle for clearing the first man every one in a while.

Set pieces were really good under Klopp (eventually). They are just awful now.

[labourRed]

This game is not to be underestimated. ManUre have nearly a week to prepare, so their players will know better where they should be playing.

I think most of them already know they'd be better off playing in Saudi.

[RedReet]

Am curious.

Assuming a good corner is one that ends in a goal, what ration of corners to goals would see us being good at corners in your eyes?


For context, the team generally seen as getting the best return in terms of goals from corners us Arsenal and they have 3 goals from over 50 corners this season.

There are then 6 teams with 2 goals from between 45 and 56 corners.

We have 1 goal from 49 corners and there are a number of other teams with a similar return to us.


Then there are a number of teams with zero goals thus far this season from corners.

Think a month or so ago the average % for the league as a whole in terms of how many corners led to gals was under 3%.

Last season was meant to be an all time high on that front with over 4% of corners leading to goals.


And to flip it a little as I am looking at stats atm, one team in the league has condeded almost 50 corners and is yet to concded a goal from a corner, that team being Forest.

Surely volume of corners is pretty irrelevant, the only thing that matters is the number of goals. AFAIK, Arsenal have 9 to our 2 which is a fairly sizable advantage, especially when those corners have been critical to influencing games which they were struggling it.

Our record this season has dropped significantly from under Klopp when we hit outswingers. The coaching staff will be fully aware of this and obviously see something we don't, so we can only hope that something clicks 2nd half of season.

[Doc_Piptorious]

Surely volume of corners is pretty irrelevant, the only thing that matters is the number of goals. AFAIK, Arsenal have 9 to our 2 which is a fairly sizable advantage, especially when those corners have been critical to influencing games which they were struggling it.

Our record this season has dropped significantly from under Klopp when we hit outswingers. The coaching staff will be fully aware of this and obviously see something we don't, so we can only hope that something clicks 2nd half of season.

They have as we have seen our corner strategies change over the past month.

But what we do not have, compared to some teams, is a lot of aerial dominant players.

We basically have VVD and that's it.

Look at Arsenal and they have Saliba, Gabriel, Rice, Havertz and White straight away who are good when Arsenal have a corner against another team.

We do have other players that are good in the air for their size like Jota, MacAllister and a couple others but they seem to excel more in situations where a ball comes in fast from open play rather than a set piece situation where the other team has had time to arrange their aerially strong defensive players in a line.

Scoring from corners is bloody hard, the low success rate that every single team in the league has from them attests to this. I think at times it is almost easier to play a short corner and then ping it to the edge of the box for someone to shot from range as the defending team tries to reset.

Certainly would be better to mix up the types of corners though rather than just having the same takers take the exact same style of corner over and over. An Einstein quote comes to mind for doing that.

[peterbread]

[Paul Joyce] Arne Slot says Joe Gomez out for a few weeks. Ibrahima Konate and Conor Bradley due to train with first team today.

Hopefully Ibou can make the bench on Sunday.

[RedReet]

They have as we have seen our corner strategies change over the past month.

But what we do not have, compared to some teams, is a lot of aerial dominant players.

We basically have VVD and that's it.

Look at Arsenal and they have Saliba, Gabriel, Rice, Havertz and White straight away who are good when Arsenal have a corner against another team.

We do have other players that are good in the air for their size like Jota, MacAllister and a couple others but they seem to excel more in situations where a ball comes in fast from open play rather than a set piece situation where the other team has had time to arrange their aerially strong defensive players in a line.

Scoring from corners is bloody hard, the low success rate that every single team in the league has from them attests to this. I think at times it is almost easier to play a short corner and then ping it to the edge of the box for someone to shot from range as the defending team tries to reset.

Certainly would be better to mix up the types of corners though rather than just having the same takers take the exact same style of corner over and over. An Einstein quote comes to mind for doing that.

At times we've had Virg, Konate, Nunez, Gakpo and to a lesser extent Grav, Szobo and Jones playing, so decent enough in terms of height. Plus when we were topping the charts under Klopp, Virg was our only genuine target then too.

I don't think there are any excuses really, other than our set pieces haven't been great. But I'm confident it will improve. I'm pretty sure earlier in the season Virg and Konate missed a few sitters and even Gomez came close a few times recently, so it might just take a bit of luck.

I guess it softens the blow a bit when we are lethal from the opposition's corners.

[Exiled_red]

Right now I'd just settle for clearing the first man every one in a while.

Set pieces were really good under Klopp (eventually). They are just awful now.

It was interesting that in the last game MacAllister took all the corners rather than the fullbacks who usually take them.

[danperkins]

Yeah we have tall players or players that are good in the air, the delivery has just been poor and we have been unlucky (especially Virgil) on a number of occasions aswell.