Jordon Ibe

[Daffy Duck]

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Oh undoubtedly I have and I've been pulled up on it too

Actually, I changed my mind about quoting the actual posts, but then forgot to unclick the multiquote buttons

Anyway, it's just a bit of fun eh

Yeah yeah it is, especially considering how absolutely sure I was

[The_weatherman]

Given how good some of his youth signings are proving should we be looking to get McParland back now he's out of a job?

I thought about that the other day, not looking good now having dismantled the youth setup. McParland, Borrell and the other dude out, Ibe and Sterling are to an extent derived from Rafa's setup. Not saying he would have given them the chance like Rodgers........

[rudedog]

I can't believe how strong he is on the ball - players are coming in hard on him and are just ending up in heap in his wake!

The boy is a force of nature at the moment but he really needs to be looked after as that style of player seem to suffer regarding injuries.

[MrMichael]

I thought about that the other day, not looking good now having dismantled the youth setup. McParland, Borrell and the other dude out, Ibe and Sterling are to an extent derived from Rafa's setup. Not saying he would have given them the chance like Rodgers........

I'm not entirely sure that works. Sterling signed from QPR in Feb 2010, Ibe from Wycombe in December 2011. While we might not have immediately dismantled "Rafa's setup" as soon as he left I also don't think we can really credit him that much with development that occurred in the years after he had gone. All in all, considering he was with us for 6 years and we bought a lot of young players for the youth team during that period, really I wouldn't say his setup had all that many results

[SB]

Ibe vs Besiktas



I33 - YouTube

Very impressive. You did alright too Mo.

[The_weatherman]

I'm not entirely sure that works. Sterling signed from QPR in Feb 2010, Ibe from Wycombe in December 2011. While we might not have immediately dismantled "Rafa's setup" as soon as he left I also don't think we can really credit him that much with development that occurred in the years after he had gone. All in all, considering he was with us for 6 years and we bought a lot of young players for the youth team during that period, really I wouldn't say his setup had all that many results

I think it's generally acknowledged that Rafa bought Sterling, I reckon McParland was in control when Ibe was brought in as well. I did however say that I doubt Rafa would have given them the chances Rodgers did and is doing. IMO Rafa was doing good thing with the academy but I do believe Rodgers is better at managing young players. So all in all, a win for us.

[dww]

I'm not entirely sure that works. Sterling signed from QPR in Feb 2010, Ibe from Wycombe in December 2011. While we might not have immediately dismantled "Rafa's setup" as soon as he left I also don't think we can really credit him that much with development that occurred in the years after he had gone. All in all, considering he was with us for 6 years and we bought a lot of young players for the youth team during that period, really I wouldn't say his setup had all that many results

It is very hard to judge but it appears that the period where we had McParland and the two ex-Barcelona coaches has been particularly productive in terms of players signed or strongly developed in that period coming through to be first team members and/or productive loans in the PL/Championship.

I think linking this to Rafa only makes things less clear. All opinions are likely to be tied up with thoughts/feelings about his first team work and we never know which youth decisions were his any way (also, was there really only one setup under him? I seem to remember we kept trying to get things together but it always seemed a work in progress).

[The_weatherman]

It is very hard to judge but it appears that the period where we had McParland and the two ex-Barcelona coaches has been particularly productive in terms of players signed or strongly developed in that period coming through to be first team members and/or productive loans in the PL/Championship.

I think linking this to Rafa only makes things less clear. All opinions are likely to be tied up with thoughts/feelings about his first team work and we never know which youth decisions were his any way (also, was there really only one setup under him? I seem to remember we kept trying to get things together but it always seemed a work in progress).

McParland, Borelli and the other guy were signed in 2009 and sacked in 2013, they have been responsible for many additions to the academy, Sterling, Ibe and Ojo were recruited during that period as well Canos and Chirivella I think.

No heated matter for me but maybe these guys had an eye for talent.

[peekay]

Ibe vs Besiktas



I33 - YouTube

That turn at 2:10

[Gazzla]

I work with a season ticket holder of Derby and he says that Ibe had shown flashes of what he is producing for us but did go missing for parts of the game and tried to do too much himself instead of playing the simple pass, unreal potential and was a great loan signing for them but he's really upped his game since coming back to us and looks a top class talent who will only get better with experience and game time

[Gazzla]

I should add that he did play predominantly on the left for Derby

[DannyMan2006]

I work with a season ticket holder of Derby and he says that Ibe had shown flashes of what he is producing for us but did go missing for parts of the game and tried to do too much himself instead of playing the simple pass, unreal potential and was a great loan signing for them but he's really upped his game since coming back to us and looks a top class talent who will only get better with experience and game time

Key point you make.

Some talented players move to a bigger club and try and be the star man but can't live up to the billing. Ibe has moved to LFC, accepted there are equally talented players and no longer tries to win a game on his own.

So he's gone from a talented kid trying too much, to s talented kid who is making the pass at the right time. My view is he always knew when to make the pass, but either didn't trust the person he could pass too, or was trying too hard to make his presence felt and impress.

[BigChief]

Key point you make.

Some talented players move to a bigger club and try and be the star man but can't live up to the billing. Ibe has moved to LFC, accepted there are equally talented players and no longer tries to win a game on his own.

So he's gone from a talented kid trying too much, to s talented kid who is making the pass at the right time. My view is he always knew when to make the pass, but either didn't trust the person he could pass too, or was trying too hard to make his presence felt and impress.

Whenever I've seen Derby on the telly it always seemed he had 2/3 men on him, thus creating spaces for others which in turn made them look like they were 'contributing' more than Ibe. And it was always clear he was the more talented but had the burden of the 2-man mark job on him.

Thus he would try to do more despite the obvious handicap to show Derby fans he was contributing, specially when it looked like he wasn't contributing. Some, actually most, Derby fans on their forums were adamant he was 'lacking in intelligence' and 'going missing' when that was far from the truth.

Honestly what the feck do Derby fans watch every week? Seems like some of our own fans were sucked into that Derby mentality and thought he wasn't ready when the boy was golddust since at least November (I think Reece has smoked them out).

[The_weatherman]

Liverpool’s clash with Southampton offers attacking adventure for Jordon Ibe

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/feb/21/liverpool-southampton-jordan-ibe-premier-league

Paul Wilson
@paulwilsongnm

Saturday 21 February 2015 22.30 GMT Last modified on Sunday 22 February 2015 00.07 GMT

Liverpool will be taking some familiar faces back to Southampton on Sunday after their summer shopping spree on the south coast, though much of the excitement around the club at the moment surrounds a player picked up from Wycombe Wanderers who is starting to make a name for himself in the first team.

Jordon Ibe made just seven appearances for the Adams Park club, managing to become Wycombe’s youngest ever league debutant in the process, before being whisked off to Merseyside at the tender age of 16. Now 19, with the benefit of loan spells at Birmingham and Derby behind him, he is getting first-team football at Anfield and more than holding his own. Playing right-sided wing-back, it was Ibe who won the penalty that gave Liverpool the advantage over Besiktas last Thursday, on a night when the teenager’s confident mixture of pace, strength and trickery provided attacking adventure that few of his team-mates could match.

Ibe was at Derby, enjoying working with Steve McClaren, when the call came from Brendan Rodgers in January. “At first I was told the loan was for the whole season, and I was happy with that because I was getting games, making new friends and learning a lot on the training ground,” Ibe says. “But because it was a youth loan there was always a chance it could be cut short early, and that’s what happened. Liverpool got in touch a couple of weeks earlier to say they would like me back, and they were just waiting for the transfer window. At that point I was thinking to myself it might not be worth coming back if I wasn’t going to play, but when the gaffer called me, he said: ‘Head back for the Aston Villa game.’ I got on as a late substitute and since then I’ve been starting in games. It’s really exciting. Just being asked back was a confidence booster but playing games and doing well makes me happy. I know I’m only just starting out and I still have a lot to learn but I am enjoying my football.”

Bermondsey-born Ibe was such an obvious talent from an early age that he had a trial at Manchester City and caused interest at Manchester United before bringing his family up to Merseyside, no great wrench as it happens because his father, David, is a lifelong Liverpool fan. “When I was growing up I followed Chelsea a little bit, but dad was always a Liverpool supporter,” he admits. “His favourite players were Ian Rush, John Barnes, Robbie Fowler and other Liverpool legends. I was only nine in 2005 but I managed to stay up to watch the Champions League final in Istanbul.”

Ibe might be treading the Ataturk stadium turf this week, although the first job at hand is staying in the first team and trying to get a result at St Mary’s. “Right at the beginning, when I made my debut, I had a few nerves playing in front of big crowds, but playing in huge stadiums on pre-season tours gives you confidence and helps settle you down.

“Plus I get a lot of help from other young players in the Liverpool squad. Raheem Sterling has been a really big influence. He is only a year older than me but he is a player I look up to. He helps me and gives me advice, as do Daniel Sturridge and Mario Balotelli. You see what they have achieved at such a young age and it can’t help but give you confidence.”

Though an England international at youth level Ibe was offered the chance to opt for Nigeria instead when he broke through at Liverpool, something the player says he has yet to think about. “No one has actually asked me about that yet, so it is not on my mind at the moment.” he says. “There’s too much happening at club level at the moment. I just want to continue playing in the first team and that is all I am concentrating on.”

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Well that made me feel old. Sounds like his head is screwed on tight, must be a proud moment for his dad.

[Vermilion]

Though an England international at youth level Ibe was offered the chance to opt for Nigeria instead when he broke through at Liverpool, something the player says he has yet to think about. “No one has actually asked me about that yet, so it is not on my mind at the moment.” he says. “There’s too much happening at club level at the moment. I just want to continue playing in the first team and that is all I am concentrating on.”

Bit odd that, that England haven't nailed him down.

Were the Fa not all over that kid Januzai at UTD, saying how he could play for Engerland if he wanted ? Or was that the media ?