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at the start of the season he sat down with Andy Heaton i think and talked about how the 433 would work and it was brilliant stuff. The truth is you never hear coaches talk like that and personally I found it to be fascinating.[B]Sir Isaac Newton knew the universal law of karma - any action has its equal and opposite reaction.[B]
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he did get Swansea promoted to the premier league and then they finished 11th when most thought they were going down. That's a pretty big achievement imo.Originally posted by Shaggy View PostI'm not quite sure where Rodgers gets such unflappable self-confidence though. He talks about us not having two bad games in a row - in a 56 game Premier League career, he's won back-to-back games just twice. Twice![B]Sir Isaac Newton knew the universal law of karma - any action has its equal and opposite reaction.[B]
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What was his record at Swansea in the first division?Originally posted by Shaggy View PostI'm not quite sure where Rodgers gets such unflappable self-confidence though. He talks about us not having two bad games in a row - in a 56 game Premier League career, he's won back-to-back games just twice. Twice!
I think he's just a natural talker and communicator.Are we winning?
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How many teams outside the big 4 (Utd, City, Arse, Chels) have done more than that though in the same period?Originally posted by Shaggy View PostI'm not quite sure where Rodgers gets such unflappable self-confidence though. He talks about us not having two bad games in a row - in a 56 game Premier League career, he's won back-to-back games just twice. Twice!SakhoPotatoes
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I know its hard not to feel disillusioned at the minute, but some of this is a bit unfair. We're right in mid-table now but he doesn't appear to be the least bit satisfied about it. And in addition to what Nigey has pointed out, Rodgers has even taken personal responsibility for players individual mistakes more than once this season.Originally posted by Shaggy View PostTo be honest I'm not into that - sure the players haven't been good enough but nor has he. I know he's not going to sit there and tell the world he's been poor, that his tactics are not working, that regardless of personnel and form opposition players walk through our midfield time and time again. But it grates with me a little. Yes our players need more of a winning mentality, but so does he. He is not a proven winner, he seems satisfied by Swansea-esque mid-table comfort, and he never takes any responsibility himself..
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It was good stuff. Not revolutionary but interesting and engaging enough. I was quite impressed. Thing is that sort of talk - "death by football" and the like - has to be backed up by results and our results this season have been, like it or not, Hodgsonesque. That's a fact. I know it's early, and I'm conscious that it seems like I'm really on his case, but results have to improve otherwise he'll wind up looking an idiot.Originally posted by el matador View Postat the start of the season he sat down with Andy Heaton i think and talked about how the 433 would work and it was brilliant stuff. The truth is you never hear coaches talk like that and personally I found it to be fascinating.Thanks very much for being ‘This Mornings’ Farmer’
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It was Rodgers who said it last season. He was being questioned about Dalglish & Liverpool who were on a bad run of form.Originally posted by el matador View PostThat's a good article.
I think it was redknapp who said recently that making changes to a team is like doing maintenance work to an aeroplane that's mid flight. The plane can't be stopped and you just have to do your best to make improvements as its in the air.
We need changes but at a club like ours we still need to be getting results. There is no down time. The euros didn't help Rodgers at all either. He had less time with the major players to get his ideas across.
A full pre season with nearly everyone there could have made a big difference to our understanding of the philosophy, results and Rodgers understanding about the players individually and their capabilities.Forwards.......
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I have absolutely no idea mate.Originally posted by tanner View PostHow many teams outside the big 4 (Utd, City, Arse, Chels) have done more than that though in the same period?
I accept that. I know he took responsibility when one of his Swansea players ****ed up against United last season, and I liked that. It is hard not to feel disillusioned, you're right. It's very hard. I am disillusioned. Our results have been as bad as under Hodgson - it's *that* bad. The football is better, the plan is much better, he's signed better players. I'm not comparing him to Hodgson, but the results have been inescapably dismal. He deserves the rest of the season, the summer, and next season. I just don't have much confidence that it'll work out. I had faith in him at the start but it has eroded much quicker than I anticipated it might.Originally posted by Pepe79 View PostI know its hard not to feel disillusioned at the minute, but some of this is a bit unfair. We're right in mid-table now but he doesn't appear to be the least bit satisfied about it. And in addition to what Nigey has pointed out, Rodgers has even taken personal responsibility for players individual mistakes more than once this season.
Thanks very much for being ‘This Mornings’ Farmer’
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Results have but the football in general has been far better to watch than under the bodge. He needs to start getting results but it will take time, we've been on the slide since under Rafa in his last seasonOriginally posted by Shaggy View PostIt was good stuff. Not revolutionary but interesting and engaging enough. I was quite impressed. Thing is that sort of talk - "death by football" and the like - has to be backed up by results and our results this season have been, like it or not, Hodgsonesque. That's a fact. I know it's early, and I'm conscious that it seems like I'm really on his case, but results have to improve otherwise he'll wind up looking an idiot.
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Rodgers wants to win, unlike Hodgson who sets out his teams not to lose. Big difference. We need to get the balance right but signs that we can go on winning runs are there by the way we've controlled and dominated possession this season. Okay, people will say that teams will let us have it and counter attack and exploit our weaknesses but dominating games is a sign that we're going forward, not backwards.
Results haven't been good but bar 3 or 4 results where we've been ****e, we could easily have gone on and won games we've lost this season, which could have put us in a much better position. Fine margins.
If Rodgers start chopping and changing the system it might be a sign of panic. Don't think it's a structural problem we're having, but one of consistency and thinness of squad and I think some players are tired and it has shown in our lack of pressing lately.
Sahin, Sterling and Allen should play if fit against QPR.Are we winning?
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I feel the same. It's not that I think sacking him is a good idea, that's not going to achieve anything. He should still get at least another season or two to try to get it right, but I'm not really confident about his chances of success.Originally posted by Shaggy View PostI have absolutely no idea mate.
I accept that. I know he took responsibility when one of his Swansea players ****ed up against United last season, and I liked that. It is hard not to feel disillusioned, you're right. It's very hard. I am disillusioned. Our results have been as bad as under Hodgson - it's *that* bad. The football is better, the plan is much better, he's signed better players. I'm not comparing him to Hodgson, but the results have been inescapably dismal. He deserves the rest of the season, the summer, and next season. I just don't have much confidence that it'll work out. I had faith in him at the start but it has eroded much quicker than I anticipated it might.
We're not going to be relevant for a long time.
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you know how football systems work but I've never heard a manager talk so openly about his own. It was very interesting but that's the problem with being so open with everyone. If you can't deliver what youve promised you're giving others a stick to beat you with.Originally posted by Shaggy View PostIt was good stuff. Not revolutionary but interesting and engaging enough. I was quite impressed. Thing is that sort of talk - "death by football" and the like - has to be backed up by results and our results this season have been, like it or not, Hodgsonesque. That's a fact. I know it's early, and I'm conscious that it seems like I'm really on his case, but results have to improve otherwise he'll wind up looking an idiot.
That's what's happening with Brendan at the moment.[B]Sir Isaac Newton knew the universal law of karma - any action has its equal and opposite reaction.[B]
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