Brendan Rodgers

[Robbie-9-Fowler]

That's why I asked that very question yesterday about where FSG are getting their valuation from.

We're both making an assumption - mine is that 'football people' (presumably Rodgers and the committee, but not not necessarily just them) inform the valuation. Yours is that they don't. I think yours is highly improbable.

This approach to purchasing has taken over the corporate world in the last fifteen years - maybe longer outside the UK. It's standard practice.

Having said that, there may be some kind of metrics being used that reduce the impact of the non-financial experts - in our case, Rodgers, the committee, etc. That can go too far, I'd agree. But then so can any system. It's a mixture of art and science.

This is what some people fail to see, both sides are assuming things, neither are better placed to claim to be correct. I was just asking the other side of the question, which I felt was reasonable given we have no idea if we're being honest.

I've just made this point but its still possible for a committee to make a decision in which they are all in agreement but its not inline with what the owners see as achievable.

Before the season people were going on and on about this "£20m net" well if we bought a player for £30m we'd have gone way past that and perhaps that was in the owners minds.

[el matador]

I can't imagine they place the valuation either but I could well imagine they have the say on where to stop if it goes above that value.

i think the transfer committee might have a value 'scale' for the player. the lowest we will probably get him for is X amount and the highest we should look to pay is Y.

if the transfer fee exceeds Y then we back out. but you have to apply some common sense too - if its over by 100k then you have to look at it carefully.

[Neil Young]

This is what some people fail to see, both sides are assuming things, neither are better placed to claim to be correct. I was just asking the other side of the question, which I felt was reasonable given we have no idea if we're being honest.

I've just made this point but its still possible for a committee to make a decision in which they are all in agreement but its not inline with what the owners see as achievable.

Before the season people were going on and on about this "£20m net" well if we bought a player for £30m we'd have gone way past that and perhaps that was in the owners minds.

Sure, we're all making assumptions. That doesn't mean they're all equally probable based on what we do know.

Speculation without context leads to Arnarchy and no one wants that.

[Robbie-9-Fowler]

It wasn't necessarily aimed at you, but the owners seem to be unfairly getting some hate over this based on the arguments you're using.

They're a big stretch. And if they are supplying their own valuations it does put the owners in a negative light.

But I don't for 1 second think they are.

Fair enough then mate I just think like the people who are quick to point out all the flaws of the owners people jump to conclusions to defend them too.

They have an incredibly tough job on their hands in stabalising the club and I was arguing at the start of the season that I can't see them spending what we see at £20m net because of that. I just hope now we have another clear target and act quickly because times running out and last minute deals cost a lot more.

[Muddled]

Let's be clear here, FSG have backed Rodgers with £52,932,800 over three transfer windows and we're still a couple of days from Jim White Day when that window slams shut.

That's a fair whack of cash.

[EwarWoo]

both sides are assuming things

Well, we're assuming the appointed a transfer committee for a reason.

You're assuming they just wanted to waste some time and money.

So yes, we're both assuming.

It is common knowledge we have a "transfer committee". I strongly suspect FSG set the overall transfer budget and financial targets after discussion with them, but there is no way they do the individual valuations of specific players. These guys are not stupid.

I'd hope that it was a committee decision but as I've said from the quotes I read it made me lean towards the owners, I know that's guess work but so it what you or anyone else is saying at the moment. If it was a committee decision I'd expect us to have further targets who they think are better valued and we can move onto almost immediately.

Its not the owners placing valuations. That's nonsense. If you're now saying they're limiting funds that is a possibility but a different discussion.

[Robbie-9-Fowler]

Sure, we're all making assumptions. That doesn't mean they're all equally probable based on what we do know.

Speculation without context leads to Arnarchy and no one wants that.

Something that is more probable isn't necessarily correct and I felt there was enough doubt based on the information we had to put up the other side of the argument.

We know nothing of this committee apart from the fact we have one, we don't know if it has to be a majority decision, how much say Rodgers within the committee or even who the member are. The only think we know for certain is they don't fund the deal.

[BigChief]

If we 'cave in' for Willian then no other club will sell us their players for their 'true value'. One win here would mean infinite losses later. And we're not a rich Arab/Russian club to get involved in those games.

I'd rather take this loss on the chin and continue making Coutinho/Sturridge type gains later. As has been said, there's still plenty of time - and players to consider.

[EwarWoo]

The only think we know for certain is they don't fund the deal.

And that it would be utterly pointless to appoint them and then ignore them.

[Robbie-9-Fowler]

Its not the owners placing valuations. That's nonsense. If you're now saying they're limiting funds that is a possibility but a different discussion.

Why is it a different discussion? If they don't want to spend over a limit they have for the summer, even if the committee agree a player is worth it, they don't have to. Especially if we're still after players in other positions which seems to be the case, Hughes and a CB.

[EwarWoo]

Why is it a different discussion? If they don't want to spend over a limit they have for the summer, even if the committee agree a player is worth it, they don't have to. Especially if we're still after players in other positions which seems to be the case, Hughes and a CB.

Setting a transfer budget is completely different to placing a valuation on an individual player.

1 is sound financial sense the other is meddling.

[dww]

Sure, we're all making assumptions. That doesn't mean they're all equally probable based on what we do know.

Speculation without context leads to Arnarchy and no one wants that.

[Daniel 7]

A collegiate of informed decision makers arriving at a valuation and sticking to it is far more healthy for the club than an unsavoury cash grapple with clubs that don't have any real notion of value. Chelsea can do this and Mourinho is probably testing the water upon his return by going in for Willian as much as anything else. Tottenham were in for Willian a long time ago and have to show ambition given the imminent sale of their best player.

LFC did the same with Andy Carroll - that worked out well.

[dom9]

I think FSG should pay top, top wages to these players as we don't have CL football to offer them. It's the only way we'll attract top top players. Otherwise we will be doomed to never be in the CL ever again under FSG. If you think that is ****, what is your idea?

[Kenneth]

Whatever. I like out squad. Give youth a chance.