Brendan Rodgers

[MrMichael]

A legacy, how many times do we hear this **** in football, so a legacy..maybe with no troiphies in his tme here, then another manager comes in and wants to do it his way...and we go down the same road again.

Ok, so what would you propose, given our current position? He comes out and says "anything less than CL qualification will be a failure?". "I don't care about the future, I want to win trophies now whatever the cost?". Look at this league, look at the money some of our rivals are spending, money we just don't have. If we try to go toe to toe with them at their game we will lose, and lose badly. That way lies disaster and ruin for the club we love, so as far as I'm concerned thank **** we have a manager now who is aware of that and is going to try to build something that will hopefully see us flourish well into the future, even if that process is a gradual one and takes time to properly mature.

[Phoenix07]

At least Rodgers is talking about getting back to the top over the long term.

He's already on course for a hiding it seems from some of our fanbase. Rodgers has already said that top 4 is the aim and after that, get the team challenging for the league in his previous interviews when he was presented to the press.

Rodgers states where he wants to be, not where he predicts we'll be. Big difference. Monday's press conference, he was talking about us finishing 7th, 6th and 8th and improving on that.

Last season said it all. We're rebuilding and right now, there are other teams who are looking at similar objectives to ourselves. Poor guy's not going to get a chance if people think he's lowering expectations.

He clearly knows our short-medium term goal is getting back into the Champions League. He knows that after that, it is the league. Last season's league debacle should've been the nail in the coffin of where we are; a big club on the brink of mid-table status. No one fears us anymore. It takes time to build that and it's been a while since I've felt confident of a manager with a clear plan of how to do that.

[Vermilion]

Ok, so what would you propose, given our current position? He comes out and says "anything less than CL qualification will be a failure?". "I don't care about the future, I want to win trophies now whatever the cost?". Look at this league, look at the money some of our rivals are spending, money we just don't have. If we try to go toe to toe with them at their game we will lose, and lose badly. That way lies disaster and ruin for the club we love, so as far as I'm concerned thank **** we have a manager now who is aware of that and is going to try to build something that will hopefully see us flourish well into the future.

As i think i've already said, say nothing negative, just be confident but guarded is all. Nothing wrong with that.

I see no need for any lowering of expectations, those fools that expect to win the league next season wont take a blind bit of notice anyway, and the rest of the fans are realistic, so need to put it out there like bait for the media.

[Vermilion]

Anyway, it's no big deal, it's not like it will define his time here or anything, it's just that i saw no need for it, and we are allowed to say if we disagree with something the club or manager does aren't we, doesn't make us anti BR or anything.

It's just something i've had to swallow for i don't know how long now, we have gone a bit **** dont ya know!

So to hear BR reaffirming it and even considering the notion he could leave here trophyless annoyed me a tad

[RichC]

4th has to be the target for this season but it shouldnt be the make or break of our season. Getting Back into the top 4 after 3 seasons out of it is going to be a tough ask what with the likes of Man Utd, Chelsea, city, arsenal and spurs all seemingly ahead of us.

We need though to be pushing all the way for the top four and seeing a marked improvement on results on the pitch, last season we didn't IMO play that poorly but couldn't score goals which is the most important commodity in football.

[RedReet]

Hodgson was crucified for being the antithesis of everything a Liverpool manager should be, and foremost among that talking to and about the fans as if we were idiots. Rodgers isn't doing that at all.

If anyone among us honestly, from where we are at right now, expects 4th as a minimum then they're an idiot. We have every right to expect to see a team performing well, playing good football, and having a shot at 4th this season. But we obviously aren't going to throw untold millions about, and we've got 5 or 6 other clubs in this league with equally good or better claims on the top 4, most of them spending more money than us. Some a stupid amount more. For us to be truly, sustainably successful we have to go about this the right way; like he said, "it’s not all about money" but for that to be true we have to have a long term vision and goal and look at our progress in terms of stages to achieving an ultimate goal, not in terms of hard and fast arbitrary targets below which everything is a failure.

Oh wait, like every season I convince myself 1st is a minimum.

Ok, so what would you propose, given our current position? He comes out and says "anything less than CL qualification will be a failure?". "I don't care about the future, I want to win trophies now whatever the cost?". Look at this league, look at the money some of our rivals are spending, money we just don't have. If we try to go toe to toe with them at their game we will lose, and lose badly. That way lies disaster and ruin for the club we love, so as far as I'm concerned thank **** we have a manager now who is aware of that and is going to try to build something that will hopefully see us flourish well into the future, even if that process is a gradual one and takes time to properly mature.

I want to win trophies now whatever the cost

The Kop paper made some interesting points on this. Basically reminded us that Ayre said Kenny was gone whether he won the FA cup or not, so winning 2/3's of the competitions we were in was still a failure. This obviously won't be lost on Rodgers so building solid foundations for consistent CL qualification is clearly a lot more important than immediate cup success.

Sad, but true.

[Vermilion]

Really don't get this either or, foundations at the cost of trophies or vice versa.

Win trophies, then setting foundations will be far easier, is'nt that the mantra, success breeeds success ?.

The possibility of both still exists. No need for this barren trophless vision imo.

[baitman]

although i cannot disagree with brendans assessment that it will be a long term job to re-build LFC to winning ways, i have to wonder what is the benefit in sharing this with the gutter media, just to create a shark feeding frenzy.

why do managers feel they need to give the press something ... keep your gob shut and get on with the job.

[RedReet]

Really don't get this either or, foundations at the cost of trophies or vice versa.

Win trophies, then setting foundations will be far easier.

The possibility of both still exists imo.

The point they were making was that for selfish purposes, Rodgers could be forgiven for playing kids in all the cup competitions and just concentrating on the league because as proved under Kenny, ultimately CL is all the owners are interested in (to a certain extent obviously).

[Vermilion]

The point they were making was that for selfish purposes, Rodgers could be forgiven for playing kids in all the cup competitions and just concentrating on the league because as proved under Kenny, ultimately CL is all the owners are interested in (to a certain extent obviously).

[cough]Arsenal![cough]

Then lose all our better players to City etc.

[RedReet]

[cough]Arsenal![cough]

Then lose all our better players to City etc.

I'm not saying that I agree or it's a good model to follow, but they are still bitter about Kenny and are merely pointing out if there is any value in Rodgers winning cups in the owners eyes. According to them there isn't.

[Vermilion]

I've heard lots of people say, our position last season was a false one, we played far better and deserved far more points in the league than we actually got, lost Suarez for 8 games, had all that uproar too, and conceded some dismal late goals, oh, and we hit some woodwork apparently.

Would any of you disagree with that. ?

You see, taking that into consideration, i don't see 4TH as this impossibility, as some seem to.

Does that make me a crazy dreamer, and do i have idiotic expectations ?

[Phoenix07]

I don't think 4th is impossible at all, and as Rodgers has said "in the next three or four years, we want to be up there challenging for those Champions League places, but I’m not going to commit to any stupid statements now. It’s about the real world." That implies this is his current aim.

As for the false position, I cannot agree with that. We're not as good as some still believe we are due to so many reasons. Our fitness was poor last season, tactics were one-dimensional and although Plan A looked great at times, others, it was so lacking in intelligence. If Rodgers rectifies some of this, we can make the jump.

It's not impossible, but it's not make or break either, as long as progress has been made.

[Tee]

Really don't get this either or, foundations at the cost of trophies or vice versa.

Win trophies, then setting foundations will be far easier, is'nt that the mantra, success breeeds success ?.

The possibility of both still exists. No need for this barren trophless vision imo.

Spot on mate.

although i cannot disagree with brendans assessment that it will be a long term job to re-build LFC to winning ways, i have to wonder what is the benefit in sharing this with the gutter media, just to create a shark feeding frenzy.

why do managers feel they need to give the press something ... keep your gob shut and get on with the job.

[Le Chef]

Woke up to hear and read him say that it will take years to get us challenging for CL places, and that we may not win anything in his time here. Just saying there is no need to try and dampen expecations at this stage. Pre season is a time of hope and expectation and he should just let it be and get on with the actual job in hand rather than talk to every tom dick and harry every day.

I agree, getting a wee bit fed up of hearing him getting in his excuses early.