Brendan Rodgers

[Lecter]

Manquillo and Moreno just add issues to an error prone centre-back pairing. Combine that with a 'keeper who is rock bottom and we have a crumbling defensive five with nowhere to hide.

Rodgers has tried different combinations with the centre back and full back pairings to try and eradicate these errors and this has obviously led to a back four that has never been settled.

These are issues that Rodgers has addressed and the players have continually let him down. My frustrations are aimed purely with our defensive players and I can't defend Lovren, Skrtel and Johnson.

Lallana has returned from injury and is currently playing with cracked ribs. Maybe this is why his appearances have been limited and not because Joe Allen is Rodgers' secret love child. Maybe Can is reacting to the injury he sustained earlier in the year?

Rodgers does - and should - have more credit in the bank.

Your defence of him is weak again

Lallana injured his ribs against Leicester, even before that he had been sidelined after being one of our brightest players early on

Why has Can been on the bench if hes still reacting to injury. Its not as if Rodgers has rushed him back to play him.

Its ****e, excuse on excuse on excuse that can easily be picked through

None of them have done anything to justify holding down a position, you have used experience / trust / ability as your reasonings behind their inclusion and now you are using injuries - are you related to Brendan in someway?

Experience / trust / ability are absolutely irrelevant if you arent performing on the pitch.

Maybe the real reason they werent picked is because it wasnt a full moon and the sun wasnt in the right place when Rodgers looked at his tea-leaves - they seem as likely excuses as you have used

[danperkins]

I don't think I can overstate this enough, but even people who back Rodgers (me) will admit the short comings of him as a manager. His lack of experience at the top level is painfully obvious. He's struggled with rotation and struggled without a striker offering pace in behind.

Previous good spending in the market would have helped a great deal in both regards. If you have a high quality squad you can rotate without too many issues. Obviously if we play Barcelona, too compete we need our best XI. But to play Palace, we should be able to put out some squad players who are still better than the First XI of Palace and as such should still have to much for them.

But you look at Palace. Bolasie was the best player on the pitch, whilst Miles Jedinak just runs over Allen when he plays him. Jedinak is just an example of how unsuited Allen is to this league. He's not exactly a Coutinho or David Silva who offers some attacking verve to make up for it. I wouldn't mind, but even against Basle away, we couldn't compete with an average African player they had in their midfield that day. He was just too strong physically for us and too full of running. We couldn't compete and we couldn't win the battles, he just mopped up.

I know some of the problems are created by Rodgers. I'm sure some of the ones who've not been good enough were entirely on him. But I think that he will learn, and if he gets time to rectify those errors he will come good. He's shown what he can do. We have an inexperienced man the job. It was a mistake. But now I feel we have to stand by him.

I don't like going against Rodgers, i'm sure most of the people on here & LFC across the world that think we need a change... are devastated and hate it too but it's hard to defend Rodger's tactics and team selection.

I don't think anybody could have thought things would go so horribly wrong. The way i see it putting the transfer committee vs Rodgers issue out of the way as it's not clear what's gone on there, the players we have are much better than LFC have shown this season. As a manager, your job is to get the best of the players under you, that's the job... simple as that. Clearly he isn't doing that, as it's not one or two that are just under performing it's nearly everyone!! That's not right.

Something has to give to stop the rot. A team can play well or ok and just not get the results or the rub of the green. In our case we literally have played badly in ever game bar maybe one or two. It's really astonishing how consistently poor we've been!! There is something broken & IMO the fix on the evidence i've seen this season on the pitch where it matters.... is replacing Rodgers.

[Lecter]

I like Can's raw attributes, but I really don't think he's ready. His first five yards are as if he's moving through treacle and his running from centre midfield leaves gaping holes. His passing is alright, but his decision making when playing the ball will develop with time and experience, something that we can't afford to do in our current situation.

Joe Allen got caught miles up the pitch for Uniteds 3rd, his decision making in possession is ****ing dire, he either passes sideways or backwards and often puts his teammates under pressure when doing this

Even when hes in the right position people just go past him with consummate ease (see Valencia)

So there is **** all difference, except Can is much stronger and doesnt get bullied and shrugged off the ball every 30 seconds

[Sarb]

You would hope so after almost winning us the league. No matter what happens at the moment, 7 months ago we were a gnats bollock from winning the thing. That counts for a bit.

Has used up **** loads of credit. 7 points off the drop zone. Abysmal in the CL. Not played a single decent game in it and threw one. Lost 7 times in the League in 16 games.

Either he turns it round quickly or he should be sacked.

[danperkins]

That's my take on Johnson too. I think Johnson at left-back forces him to hold his concentration longer and often looks better equipped in that position. However, his lackadaisical performances of late really do grate and when we have suitable players to step up, I'd be more than happy for him to be replaced. Unfortunately, as it stands, he is the best of a bad bunch.



I like Can's raw attributes, but I really don't think he's ready. His first five yards are as if he's moving through treacle and his running from centre midfield leaves gaping holes. His passing is alright, but his decision making when playing the ball will develop with time and experience, something that we can't afford to do in our current situation.



I think Rodgers knows what he wants, but is struggling to get the players up to speed quickly enough and with each performance, players are regressing more and more.

I would really like to see more of Can, there has been glimpses of a real player in there. Two good back to back displays against Madrid & Chelsea who are two of the best sides in the world... and then poof he's gone. I'd understand if Allen or Gerrard where playing well but it's actually been the opposite of that.

I just don't think Rodgers knows what players to play and where to play them. Hence the constant tinkering, playing certain players in wrong systems i.e Balo/Lambert as lone striker, Gerrard as DM, Henderson as wingback. Distancing himself from Mario, publicly embarrassing Mig & now this Pearce piece. The clubs in a right mess and something has to be done. Nearly half way through the season, out of the champs league with a whimper & 7 points off the relegation zone... amazing stuff really.

I actually can't believe how bad things have got and so quickly too. Just when we take a step forward... we take two steps back.

[Alex]

Has used up **** loads of credit. 7 points off the drop zone. Abysmal in the CL. Not played a single decent game in it and threw one. Lost 7 times in the League in 16 games.

Either he turns it round quickly or he should be sacked.

Yeah, he has used up most of my good will too.

But what are the options? I cant really see any viable ones at the moment. So I think its best to stick with him and see if he can turn it round.

Worst case scenario is that we finish 10th and we start it all over again. But this time with a deeper squad than when he took over.

[Leyton388]

Fact is this summers signings have set us back 3 years. Whoever is to blame be it the manager, CEO, committee they all need to go. Its gross negligence on a grand scale. £250m spent in the time rodgers has been here and only Sturridge is a success.

[danperkins]

Realistically does anyone think that his position is untenable if we get knocked out of the cup tomorrow?

That will be us 7 points of relegation, 10 points behind United, out of the champs league & out of the league cup... all in just over a week.

[Lecter]

As an aside from the Can / Allen debate

Why stick Lucas on the bench and put Allen in the holding role on Sunday

Lucas has experience, follows tactical instruction well, has performed ok but still doesnt get in ahead of Joe Allen

Seems like another schoolboy error to me

[ntto]

pearce is also suggesting the club are having a say in the team that Brendan picks by not allowing him to pick Borini.

I cant see Brendan keeping quiet on that "excuse"

[Myo]

All of this is ****e, I'm sorry Mudds but there is zero defence of Rodgers in this matter

Johnson has continually been picked at either right or leftback at the expense of Manquillo or Moreno there is zero justification for this other than sentiment because Johnson has been shockingly bad the whole season. Manquillo & Moreno might not have excelled but they have certainly been no worse than Johnson

Yes he replaced Lovren with Toure briefly but on Sunday when Toure was fit and after another shockingly bad performance against Basle Lovren retains his place - its mindblowing

Then we go to Allen, how he gets a game week in week out is earth-shatterring. How he seems to escape substitution after contributing nothing is crazy also and yet others - such as Lallana will be canned at an instant even if they havent been that bad

I'm so sick and tired of this **** now

Its all bollocks, hes run out of credit. He has zero excuses left and no justification for it

this...

You know i am tired of it as well...not MAD as when we went through the bodgeson era (that was with full on righteous anger *shudder*)...which is quite sad because literally i am tired and drained... which to me is worse as we have been through this before in the souness and bodge era and i can't bear to go through it again...so so so tired...

Yeah we got rid of our superstar and replaced him with supposed quality players for rotation ala europe and all, ok i get that, i don't get is loaning out quality youngsters that had their chance last season, yeah maybe they weren't ready week in and week out, but god could they have done a better job than what the newbies have done knowing the system? Hell yes i dare say it (and this has nothing to do with hindsight)... did we replace a hard working proven goal scorer/led from the front and who was mentally bonkers but never ever gave up? NO (no, we got half of that). Are we playing players based upon form rather than name ? NO (i really cannot fathom again why the likes of Lucas and Toure still cannot seem to get in a game based upon their form and professionalism). Are we even getting to the point where we can see the horizon? NO. Are we really seeing any improvement/change in the personnel we have and the system we play at based upon our current predicament? NO... just so damn tired...i have lost faith in him..something needs to give and if we don't do this now, the season as it stands will be lost...no kidding we will be fighting for mid table at best...

[Alex]

Realistically does anyone think that his position is untenable if we get knocked out of the cup tomorrow?

That will be us 7 points of relegation, 10 points behind United, out of the champs league & out of the league cup... all in just over a week.

Not really. The League cup is a nonsense until the final.

We are 7 points off 4th. Hardly an insurmountable gap.

10 points behind utd is what it is. Last season for them was a blip anyway.

The Champions League exit will hurt FSG I think. A last 16 and maybe a 1/4 final game would have done wonders for the club.

[danperkins]

It is very draining alright, always drama, always an off the pitch circus.

[Alex]

Also 5 points behind Arsenal who will be along with Spurs the main challengers for 4th place. We beat them next week and its a different looking table.

[Muddled]

Your defence of him is weak again

Lallana injured his ribs against Leicester, even before that he had been sidelined after being one of our brightest players early on

Why has Can been on the bench if hes still reacting to injury. Its not as if Rodgers has rushed him back to play him.

Its ****e, excuse on excuse on excuse that can easily be picked through

None of them have done anything to justify holding down a position, you have used experience / trust / ability as your reasonings behind their inclusion and now you are using injuries - are you related to Brendan in someway?

Experience / trust / ability are absolutely irrelevant if you arent performing on the pitch.

Maybe the real reason they werent picked is because it wasnt a full moon and the sun wasnt in the right place when Rodgers looked at his tea-leaves - they seem as likely excuses as you have used

C'mon Lecter, you're better than that.

Has used up **** loads of credit. 7 points off the drop zone. Abysmal in the CL. Not played a single decent game in it and threw one. Lost 7 times in the League in 16 games.

Either he turns it round quickly or he should be sacked.

And seven points from a Champions League place. Such is the competition in the Premier League this season, we are a run away from getting something out of this season. Look at Manchester United and Newcastle after they got a few wins on the bounce.

The Champions League performances, whilst poor, will be a learning curve for Rodgers had no previous experience of the competition. Manchester City are only now regularly progressing through to the latter stages and they've thrown millions of pounds at it.

I would really like to see more of Can, there has been glimpses of a real player in there. Two good back to back displays against Madrid & Chelsea who are two of the best sides in the world... and then poof he's gone. I'd understand if Allen or Gerrard where playing well but it's actually been the opposite of that.

I just don't think Rodgers knows what players to play and where to play them. Hence the constant tinkering, playing certain players in wrong systems i.e Balo/Lambert as lone striker, Gerrard as DM, Henderson as wingback. Distancing himself from Mario, publicly embarrassing Mig & now this Pearce piece. The clubs in a right mess and something has to be done. Nearly half way through the season, out of the champs league with a whimper & 7 points off the relegation zone... amazing stuff really.

I actually can't believe how bad things have got and so quickly too. Just when we take a step forward... we take two steps back.

You see tinkering, I see action. He is clearly aware of the issues we have, he just can't turn it around quick enough. Gerrard at DM isn't working, he puts in Lucas. Two centre-backs are causing a mischief, he goes to three. Balotelli doesn't put in a shift, he turns to Lambert. Mignolet is looking weak mentally, he brings in Jones.

These changes in formation can't be made in a week. They will have been drilled down in training over a longer period of time. There is no quick fix to our current problems.