Brendan Rodgers

[Buzzo]

Some interesting posts and points of view here.

The most worrying thing for me is, aside from the cluster**** that is our transfer system, we are showing zero signs of any form on the pitch. Finding any positives in a 3 nil defeat is really pushing it and shows how bad we have become.

I watched Arsenal on Saturday, a team seemingly in similar disarray - not even close, their football looked fluent in a way we can only dream off. So, all this transfer talk is smoke - we need to start winning, and so far there really have been zero signs of us finding form and that happening.

In that respect what would any of our (supposed) equals do - what would Utd, Cheslsea, City, Barca, Bayern, Real etc. etc. do. The manager would be gone at nearly every one of these teams. So Brendan needs a big result and a few wins fast otherwise I'd say he will be gone by Christmas.

[DannyMan2006]

I'm really not better than that, particularly when I feel people are talking absolute ****ing horse****. Its nothing personal Mudds I like you as a poster just feel on this score you are talking total balls

You say hes taken action, taken Gerrard out the holding role and put in Lucas. Yet on Sunday he takes out Lucas puts Allen in and then puts Gerrard back in alongside Allen

Same with Lovren he has more errors than any other defender in the league and yet can still hold down the place in the team at the expense of a fit again Toure, hell Toure cant even get 1 out of 3 avalable centrehalf berths and losses out to a fullback (Johnson) and a **** one at that

I wasnt against the changes in system on Sunday its the personnel used in that system - it was wrong

This is my problem with Rodgers, when he uses the right system he doesnt pick the right players and vice versa

I don't work at the club, so can't say.

But maybe Toure needed a rest? He had been injured. Maybe Lucas was worn out after Basle and not in a position to press?

On the Lucas issue, I think Rodgers doesn't think Lucas & Gerrard as a two function very well. He went with Gerrard hoping his long balls would create a threat and hoped an extra CB would help cover gaps. On paper..... It makes sense.

[calvoboy]

Just for anyone still reading anything into that badly written ****e on rawk:

@JamesPearceEcho: @robbieclfc What I said on the audio and what's in that written summary of it on RAWK are very different.

[Robbie-9-Fowler]

Be interesting to see what he actually said.

[NotLikeYou]

There's a sound cloud link in that thread.

https://soundcloud.com/anfieldhq/james-pearce-corrected

[Muddled]

I'm really not better than that, particularly when I feel people are talking absolute ****ing horse****. Its nothing personal Mudds I like you as a poster just feel on this score you are talking total balls

You say hes taken action, taken Gerrard out the holding role and put in Lucas. Yet on Sunday he takes out Lucas puts Allen in and then puts Gerrard back in alongside Allen

Same with Lovren he has more errors than any other defender in the league and yet can still hold down the place in the team at the expense of a fit again Toure, hell Toure cant even get 1 out of 3 avalable centrehalf berths and losses out to a fullback (Johnson) and a **** one at that

I wasnt against the changes in system on Sunday its the personnel used in that system - it was wrong

This is my problem with Rodgers, when he uses the right system he doesnt pick the right players and vice versa

No offence taken, Lecter; It's only a friendly chat with differing views on a subject we both have passion for.

Out of curiosity, what players would you have played in the formation we used on Sunday?

[DannyMan2006]

Until Rodgers demonstrates that he's capable of organizing a defence. Transfers should be focused on improving our attack. That's what gave us a league challenge last season.

Although I do like Klopp. He also needs to show he can turn around a bad situation.
So far he's not doing it.

Klopp is showing just like Rodgers that with the right group of players he can perform miracles. With the wrong group, he can't achieve the minimum.

To me, there are very few managers who will excel above the minimum level expectation with any group of players. If any at all. There are also very few who will excel far above the minimum level, with the right group of players. Rodgers is one of them.

There are many who will achieve a decent mix of results with any group. Rodgers isn't one of them.

I think Rodgers is just one of those who will either deliver the stars or nothing. I don't think he'll have too many average seasons.

[Muddled]

Until Rodgers demonstrates that he's capable of organizing a defence. Transfers should be focused on improving our attack. That's what gave us a league challenge last season.

Although I do like Klopp. He also needs to show he can turn around a bad situation.
So far he's not doing it.

It's great to see some new posters in amongst the chat. Welcome.

[DannyMan2006]

No offence taken, Lecter; It's only a friendly chat with differing views on a subject we both have passion for.

Out of curiosity, what players would you have played in the formation we used on Sunday?

Neither he or yourself, or any of us for that matter, can give an accurate account of who we'd play.

I'd say I'd have played Sakho & Toure as a minimum - but were they fit enough to start?

[Lecter]

I don't work at the club, so can't say.

But maybe Toure needed a rest? He had been injured. Maybe Lucas was worn out after Basle and not in a position to press?

On the Lucas issue, I think Rodgers doesn't think Lucas & Gerrard as a two function very well. He went with Gerrard hoping his long balls would create a threat and hoped an extra CB would help cover gaps. On paper..... It makes sense.

Your last comment is the biggest problem we have imo

Rodgers thinks too much in terms of this and the reality is that football is not played on paper

I think he thinks like Mudds (again no disrespect to Mudds) that Johnson is experienced and has ability, Lovren experienced, Allen experienced and can do his bidding

The reality is that all of the above qualities count for **** once you cross that white line unless you are putting in the performances to bring out those qualities

And they most definitely are not

[Maxiedge]

Klopp is showing just like Rodgers that with the right group of players he can perform miracles. With the wrong group, he can't achieve the minimum.

To me, there are very few managers who will excel above the minimum level expectation with any group of players. If any at all. There are also very few who will excel far above the minimum level, with the right group of players. Rodgers is one of them.

There are many who will achieve a decent mix of results with any group. Rodgers isn't one of them.

I think Rodgers is just one of those who will either deliver the stars or nothing. I don't think he'll have too many average seasons.

Thing is with Klopp, is that he's done well in the CL this season, so there's been a shining light for Borrusia fans. With us, there nothing you can take positively from the season so far.

[Lecter]

No offence taken, Lecter; It's only a friendly chat with differing views on a subject we both have passion for.

Out of curiosity, what players would you have played in the formation we used on Sunday?

I wouldnt have played Johnson at centrehalf would have gone for Toure, I might have also been tempted to gamble on Sakho instead of Lovren

I would have had Lucas holding instead of Allen, but thats no surprise as I would probably play my mum instead of Joe Allen

Again I have only watched the highlights but it appeared we created more chances in that game than in many of our previous ones so to a degree the change worked but defensively we were terrible and United didnt look that fantastic yet still won at a canter

[meffin]

There's a sound cloud link in that thread.
https://soundcloud.com/anfieldhq/james-pearce-corrected

1 posts in 8 years then BAM- 6 in 2 days

[DannyMan2006]

Your last comment is the biggest problem we have imo

Rodgers thinks too much in terms of this and the reality is that football is not played on paper

I think he thinks like Mudds (again no disrespect to Mudds) that Johnson is experienced and has ability, Lovren experienced, Allen experienced and can do his bidding

The reality is that all of the above qualities count for **** once you cross that white line unless you are putting in the performances to bring out those qualities

And they most definitely are not

Of course on the pitch matters most. But if you can't even do it on the training field, you'll not get a chance to fail on a pitch either. I don't know what any of them are doing on the training field. I don't there physical stats or their limits to games they can play. I don't know if someone's playing well one game then is failing the physical tests afterwards to be considered for the next game. I don't know any of this.

What I do know is that with the players he has starting the game - so far during the season they haven't reached the standards I'd expect of them. By that I mean they're not functioning as a unit or a team. We can argue until we're blue in the face as to who should start, but we could be barking up the wrong tree as they may not be available to the manager.

Personally I'm more worried and more focused on the fact that the manager hasn't got the players starting games to reach certain levels I'd expect. But as I've already said today and countless times, I think Rodgers is a bit of a one trick pony. He's got a style and way of playing that's great, but with a certain type missing it all falls down.

Now if people want him sacked because he has only one trick then fair enough. Me personally, I just want us to focus on signing the right players. Because there aren't too many managers who'll come in and be able to pick a top side with the nucleus of players we have available RIGHT NOW. I don't see many getting us in the top 4 with Rickie Lambert leading the line. Whilst I'm sure Rodgers will get results when he has Sturridge back, as would most.

To me, I'm of this mind. See how Rodgers does with Sturridge back and hopefully another decent forward player. If we don't knock on the door of looking like a top side, get rid. But I think we will look far better when he comes back.

[Muddled]

I wouldnt have played Johnson at centrehalf would have gone for Toure, I might have also been tempted to gamble on Sakho instead of Lovren

I would have had Lucas holding instead of Allen, but thats no surprise as I would probably play my mum instead of Joe Allen

Again I have only watched the highlights but it appeared we created more chances in that game than in many of our previous ones so to a degree the change worked but defensively we were terrible and United didnt look that fantastic yet still won at a canter

Fair enough. There wasn't any other reason than I was just curious as to where you see our weak links. As DannyMan has said, it's not an exact science as we don't truly know their availability.

Johnson as a right sided centre back was certainly the obvious one, along with Jones. I think he wanted to mirror the 3-5-2 of Van Gaal and put some energy into midfield ... unfortunately, it backfired and Allen was schooled by every Manchester United player on the pitch.