Brendan Rodgers

[Norbs]

How is the current way of playing not playing to the strengths of Reina, or Johnson, or Agger, or Sahin, or Allen? Nonsense innit.

Innit just

It's not like they're being asked to pass the ball with the inside of their knees, just their feet. He's doing exactly the right thing by working on keeping the ball and being comfortable with it. That said, we don't seem to be very good at it, and it's a fundamental attribute for a footballer.

He's not going to get several years like Ferguson got, but maybe he should. We've craved stability and a plan, we've got a man prepared to work on those terms and within 4 months there's calls for his head. FFS

[yamiedo]

So is it fair to say that our league position has no bearing on his job this season? What if we are in a relegation scrap?

We won't be. The worst that can happen is we'll be lingering around mid table. With our players and quality and Lucas coming back there is absolutely no chance we'll be in a relegation scrap.

[Tee]

We won't be though come on, do you honestly think we're as bad as QPR, Reading, Villa, Southampton, Sunderland, Wigan or Norwich?

I certainly don't; this is a **** time, a time of transition - just got to have faith & be patient

We won't be. The worst that can happen is we'll be lingering around mid table. With our players and quality and Lucas coming back there is absolutely no chance we'll be in a relegation scrap.

I hope not but our form suggests we are not going to be that far off. Hopefully in January we do strengthen (and not by bringing in Darren Bent!!!) and start to make a dent at the right end of the table.

[Norbs]

Rebuilding or not, all I can say is that if we are still hovering around the drop zone in March he will be gone. No doubts at all IMO.

I don't think they could afford to do it again. Besides, Kenny's appointment was a pressured one, Hodgson was pre-FSG. Who's to say Kenny didn't fancy it for another season after realising how much things have changed. For all we know they could be quite happy to see him here for 5 years as at starter

[red g]

I hope not but our form suggests we are not going to be that far off. Hopefully in January we do strengthen (and not by bringing in Darren Bent!!!) and start to make a dent at the right end of the table.

We did have a very very hard start though and been playing catch up ever since. The next few games are very winnable and we should be able to cement our mid table position over these games

[Yozza]

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I hope not but our form suggests we are not going to be that far off. Hopefully in January we do strengthen (and not by bringing in Darren Bent!!!) and start to make a dent at the right end of the table.[/QUOTE]



You been on the happy pills? Take some more...!

[Tee]

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I hope not but our form suggests we are not going to be that far off. Hopefully in January we do strengthen (and not by bringing in Darren Bent!!!) and start to make a dent at the right end of the table.[/QUOTE]



You been on the happy pills? Take some more...!

I do try and look positively at things, believe it or not! Problem is, my gut feeling is we still have not bottomed out. And that is what I find worrying.

The hope and chance I see is with the ownership, FSG. They need to bring it to the table or we will just keep going slowly backwards and it is painful!

Looking at it coldly from a 'franchise' point of view it is also worrying. For this brand to stay at the forefront in this sport and gain value it simply has to compete. And to do that we really do need to bring in quality players, like Luis Suarez.

BR wil look after the rest I am hopeful of that, but he needs support befitting to a Manager of a club of this stature.

[Mostar]

We definitely are, I'm not sure that everything is money related. For me, we have around 6 very good players, that we should be able to build a squad around. I know what Rodgers is doing and there is some signs of progress, but the results aren't coming. Obviously his signings (looking at Allen and Borini mainly) occurred to help the team play his kind of football, and because they had previously worked with him. I'm not having a dig at either player because I think that they both should be good Liverpool footballers, just that they weren't cheap cheaper alternatives were definitely available.

However I'm not convinced, purely because of the shape of the squad and way that we've been going the last few seasons that the signings made were the absolute best allocation of funds. If you look at some of the transfers made over Europe this season there were definitely some bargains, and perhaps improving the quality of the broader squad, before aiming for key individuals to implement his tactics could have been beneficial. The lack of squad depth is clear for everyone to see and as the season has worn on, we are not yet playing true to "Rodgers style".

My main fear about splashing money around in January (which I don't believe will happen) is that we're not playing CL football, we don't look like we have a shot at doing so in the next few season and there have been some pretty uninspiring games over the previous years. It's not like we have a whole lot of CL players that would expensive willing to join. It'll be either up and coming players from smaller foreign leagues, misfits like some of the English strikers being linked or big fish in small pond types. All of which can be risky. Anyhow, I'm not really expecting too much in Jan, maybe a bargain backup striker or/and attacking midfielder. I hate to say it, but Kenny had what appears to be the one shot for big investment and he flogged it on the likes of Downing, Adam, Carroll and Henderson.

Good post.

I too think that our scouting should be able to identify some "diamonds in the rough" especially as we finally have the scouting network.

I really hope we look past England coz as there are some decent quality footballers playing abroad.

Don't think he'll play the rw role as he doesn't have the legs for it. If you at our wing players, they are asked to do a lot of covering work up and down that flank.

I see Gerrard as either behind the striker or as one of the midfield 3. Think he's been nurtured into the latter from what I've seen. We need another specialist DM imo, to complement what we already have.

Gerrard and Allen will be better for it. Oh and Lucas is soon back.

He doesn't but the question is where do you play him instead. Personally I hope we start the process of finding his long term replacement sooner rather than later.

Equally "death by football" hasnt achieved many results either

I think you have to look at it both sides their should be some middle ground

There are lots of ways to get from A to B there are no hard and fast rules either way. Results are the biggest indicator of whether you are going in the right way or not

Our league start has been absolutely woeful in terms of results and unless Rodgers starts to put points on the board then more questions will start to be asked about him and his ideals / tactics / systems etc....

I said at the beginning of the season that regardless of the fact that FSG hired him long term if he had the similar run as Kenny did in the second half of the last season I am not sure that he would have lasted much longer and I still feel the same.

So far our fanbase has been very supportive and he really hasn't been under any real pressure to deliver but I am not so sure that will continue if the results don't start coming in.

[Marina]

which tells you that im unsure about rodgers. I dont see him as the messianic figure some folk do.

That's a bit melodramatic. I doubt many people see him as "messianic." There are several people, however, who already think Rodgers is totally not fit for the job, is out of his depth, and that we're regressing, which is honestly beyond frustrating. It seems that some people, perhaps after years of relative turmoil and dashed hopes, have become conditioned to anticipating some kind of ill-fated outcome in every possible scenario for this club.

[TheElephantMan]

Perhaps some people are impressed with Rodgers and some aren't? I was one of the optimists, but now I'm not.

[Marina]

Perhaps some people are impressed with Rodgers and some aren't? I was one of the optimists, but now I'm not.

Why has your opinion changed in such a short period of time? Let's see, last win was Wigan... less than two weeks ago. The general mood on this forum was a lot better then. In fairness, I don't know if you were already no longer an "optimist" pre-Wigan. Nevertheless, we can say all we like about not seeing progress and how the tactics are stifling and whatever else everyone else has been saying but it's simply myopic.

[TheElephantMan]

It's fine to discuss these things and have differing opinions. The manager is not beyond criticism.

I had written off the first five games, but expected things to improve steadily. I can't see much improvement, we're still wasteful and disorganised. Of course a win is a win and people will be more optimistic after getting a good result. I don't expect us to win the league, but I expect us to be improving and moving up the table.

[Marina]

It's fine to discuss these things and have differing opinions. The manager is not beyond criticism.

I had written off the first five games, but expected things to improve steadily. I can't see much improvement, we're still wasteful and disorganised. Of course a win is a win and people will be more optimistic after getting a good result. I don't expect us to win the league, but I expect us to be improving and moving up the table.

Alright, fair enough. That's what everyone wants--to improve, to do well, etc.

Still though, it's all the talk of becoming "a pessimist" which doesn't make sense. We should be doing better, but it's far too soon to be so lacking in confidence as to dismiss what may happen in the future as inherently negative.

[TheElephantMan]

Why doesn't it make sense? I expected Rodgers to get the team organised and notch up some points along the way during the rebuilding process. It has been very underwhelming so far.

[Tee]

Why doesn't it make sense? I expected Rodgers to get the team organised and notch up some points along the way during the rebuilding process. It has been very underwhelming so far.

We have had rebuilding phases in the past, and IIRC only one season in the 90s was as disappointing as this (so far).

This season is still a long way from being over and we can improve, but it badly needs an injection of some quality.