Brendan Rodgers

[Maxiedge]

If you were to defend Johnson being included week after week, you could say that his errors, even though are slack, don't 100% lead directly to a goal. Moreno's mistakes this season have been gift-wrapped. Maybe as a manager, you'd rather pick a player who makes more small mistakes but less damning big ones.

[Muddled]

Fact is this summers signings have set us back 3 years. Whoever is to blame be it the manager, CEO, committee they all need to go. Its gross negligence on a grand scale. £250m spent in the time rodgers has been here and only Sturridge is a success.

In our current form, maybe. We also have players that will develop over time and have the ability to become good players.

[danperkins]

Not really. The League cup is a nonsense until the final.

We are 7 points off 4th. Hardly an insurmountable gap.

10 points behind utd is what it is. Last season for them was a blip anyway.

The Champions League exit will hurt FSG I think. A last 16 and maybe a 1/4 final game would have done wonders for the club.

The league cup is always a great chance to play youngsters or potentials, vital game time to progress.

10 points behind an average United side at that. 7 points of 4th spot, 7 points of relegation. Personally i think he's on the brink at the moment, being knocked out by a lower league side (even though they decent) ad out of two cups in just over a week & 10 points behind United ... that's not a good 8 days or so. Loving the fact we have Arsenal to play next too... good times.

[McDermotX]

Realistically does anyone think that his position is untenable if we get knocked out of the cup tomorrow?

That will be us 7 points of relegation, 10 points behind United, out of the champs league & out of the league cup... all in just over a week.

I think he's done, but still think an exit before the summer would be a surprise, unless there is 'consequences' from meetings with the owners etc.
Saving a miracle turnaround and CL qualification, he'll be replaced in the summer.

The thing about that 'miracle turnaround', is that this team is broken. It's fragile mentality exposed for everyone to see week in and week out. There's very little fight and accountability in this squad, and add in the fact that the manager has created a schism whereby good performances aren't rewarded, and certain favs are kept in regardless of how little effort and quality they posess, it wouldn't surprise me to hear of more squad bitterness before the end of the season.
Speaking from the outside, it's incredible how much of a drop we've seen in attitude and performance, and that's probably eating away at the team now, reinforcing their suspicions about the 'real' level of this team, which were relatively hidden last season among the attacking verve and work rate of our attack line.

At this rate, I think a 7-8th finish is probably likely. But who knows, EL could be our saviour.

[danperkins]

You see tinkering, I see action. He is clearly aware of the issues we have, he just can't turn it around quick enough. Gerrard at DM isn't working, he puts in Lucas. Two centre-backs are causing a mischief, he goes to three. Balotelli doesn't put in a shift, he turns to Lambert. Mignolet is looking weak mentally, he brings in Jones.

These changes in formation can't be made in a week. They will have been drilled down in training over a longer period of time. There is no quick fix to our current problems.

But how long did he take to make these blatant changes? That's a huge omission having no actual DM playing in front of a poxy defence is asking for trouble, especially when there's one on the bench. huge problems this has caused us. Lovren should have been whipped out of the firing line ages ago. As for Mignolet i agree that he needed dropping.. but dropping him before a vital game against United at Old Trafford when he hasn't played in something lie 23(could be wrong) months in league? And not before he humiliates him publicly.

I agree there's no quick fix but there's never going to be a fix if you keep changing things around & putting round pegs in square holes. The team has no balance or identity & this is not going to come by playing players out of position & playing players in formations that they simply cannot play.

[Muddled]

Realistically does anyone think that his position is untenable if we get knocked out of the cup tomorrow?

No, because ...

Not really. The League cup is a nonsense until the final.

Many fans would have dismissed this as a distraction earlier on in the season.

pearce is also suggesting the club are having a say in the team that Brendan picks by not allowing him to pick Borini.

I cant see Brendan keeping quiet on that "excuse"

I don't think they are picking the team, but it's not hard to believe he may have been told to freeze out Borini.

Also 5 points behind Arsenal who will be along with Spurs the main challengers for 4th place. We beat them next week and its a different looking table.

Exactly right. Fine margins this season.

If you were to defend Johnson being included week after week, you could say that his errors, even though are slack, don't 100% lead directly to a goal. Moreno's mistakes this season have been gift-wrapped. Maybe as a manager, you'd rather pick a player who makes more small mistakes but less damning big ones.

:hi-5:

[G]

The passage from rawk has a lot of paraphrasing when you compare it to the actual audio. I listened to the audio a few days ago and not much of what was written on rawk is actually said.

[Muddled]

But how long did he take to make these blatant changes? That's a huge omission having no actual DM playing in front of a poxy defence is asking for trouble, especially when there's one on the bench. huge problems this has caused us. Lovren should have been whipped out of the firing line ages ago. As for Mignolet i agree that he needed dropping.. but dropping him before a vital game against United at Old Trafford? And not before he humiliates him publicly.

Fair comment. I think Rodgers believed our initial problems to be a blip rather than what it has escalating into now. Lovren's game time probably shows how much faith Rodgers has in his current options at centre-back and the timing of Mignolet being bombed out was crazy.

[Muddled]

The passage from rawk has a lot of paraphrasing when you compare it to the actual audio. I listened to the audio a few days ago and not much of what was written in rawk is actually said.

Tremendous.

[danperkins]

I think he's done, but still think an exit before the summer would be a surprise, unless there is 'consequences' from meetings with the owners etc.
Saving a miracle turnaround and CL qualification, he'll be replaced in the summer.

The thing about that 'miracle turnaround', is that this team is broken. It's fragile mentality exposed for everyone to see week in and week out. There's very little fight and accountability in this squad, and add in the fact that the manager has created a schism whereby good performances aren't rewarded, and certain favs are kept in regardless of how little effort and quality they posess, it wouldn't surprise me to hear of more squad bitterness before the end of the season.
Speaking from the outside, it's incredible how much of a drop we've seen in attitude and performance, and that's probably eating away at the team now, reinforcing their suspicions about the 'real' level of this team, which were relatively hidden last season among the attacking verve and work rate of our attack line.

At this rate, I think a 7-8th finish is probably likely. But who knows, EL could be our saviour.

completely agree. Ideally we'd win the next few games, get to the January window, sign some players, get rid of a few & push on from there. Wishful thinking but would be the ideal & less messy thing to happen.

Changing managers mid season is never a god thing, although can't be helped on times. IMO we'll see exactly how much pressure he's under by his team selection vs Bournemouth. He needs to win & he needs to win vs Arsenal. Win them and things might look a bit better for him and us. Lose them and IMO that's the him properly finished.

[danperkins]

Fair comment. I think Rodgers believed our initial problems to be a blip rather than what it has escalating into now. Lovren's game time probably shows how much faith Rodgers has in his current options at centre-back and the timing of Mignolet being bombed out was crazy.

I dunno mate i've just lost faith in him. Just too many things have gone on for me to think he can turn it around. Be amazing if he cold be i just can't see it happening.

[Myo]

Absolutely hilarious if behind the scenes the upper echolons were working on a straight swap with klopp in the new year and both him and brendog know this and are both working on the getting their current respective teams down as much as possible before they get in and work their 'magic'...absolutely hilarious....not

[Lecter]

C'mon Lecter, you're better than that.


You see tinkering, I see action. He is clearly aware of the issues we have, he just can't turn it around quick enough. Gerrard at DM isn't working, he puts in Lucas. Two centre-backs are causing a mischief, he goes to three. Balotelli doesn't put in a shift, he turns to Lambert. Mignolet is looking weak mentally, he brings in Jones.

These changes in formation can't be made in a week. They will have been drilled down in training over a longer period of time. There is no quick fix to our current problems.

I'm really not better than that, particularly when I feel people are talking absolute ****ing horse****. Its nothing personal Mudds I like you as a poster just feel on this score you are talking total balls

You say hes taken action, taken Gerrard out the holding role and put in Lucas. Yet on Sunday he takes out Lucas puts Allen in and then puts Gerrard back in alongside Allen

Same with Lovren he has more errors than any other defender in the league and yet can still hold down the place in the team at the expense of a fit again Toure, hell Toure cant even get 1 out of 3 avalable centrehalf berths and losses out to a fullback (Johnson) and a **** one at that

I wasnt against the changes in system on Sunday its the personnel used in that system - it was wrong

This is my problem with Rodgers, when he uses the right system he doesnt pick the right players and vice versa

[danperkins]

Also 5 points behind Arsenal who will be along with Spurs the main challengers for 4th place. We beat them next week and its a different looking table.

true but this is what makes it so frustrating. Either we start winning now whilst we still have the opportunity or a change it up to salvage something.

[NotLikeYou]

Until Rodgers demonstrates that he's capable of organizing a defence. Transfers should be focused on improving our attack. That's what gave us a league challenge last season.

Although I do like Klopp. He also needs to show he can turn around a bad situation.
So far he's not doing it.