Emre Can

[kev776]

Well, I've been in my present employment for 13 years and in that time I've worked for 7 different companies and about to be TUPEd to the eighth. All without changing my job at any of those times.

Some of those companies are among the largest technology companies on the planet, and also among the worst possible employers (pay cuts anyone? I kid you not - US colleagues had to take compulsory pay cuts of 10% then another 20%).

These companies live from quarter to quarter and if they don't earn enough billions, they cut swathes of employees out of the business regardless of consequences. They literally could not give less of a **** about any single employee, including the CEOs, who they seem to get through more of than football managers. They don't invest in staff, offices nor even basic kit like laptops (one of the employers was along the largest manufacturers of PCs on Earth).

So why do I still work there? Well, I've got a comfortable, stress free life. I walk to work. I've got a nice window seat. And I don't get any hassle. I could earn more elsewhere but I'm not motivated by that. The work life balance is more important to me.

And I've been there 13 years so the redundancy money will be very nice if they ever boot me out.

If that means I've got a bad attitude, then I'm more than happy for these employers to reap what they have sowed. Cunts.

A pretty damn fine answer.

[dom9]

A pretty damn fine answer.

I guess the point I'm really making is that everybody should be free to choose their career and employer based on whatever motivations, opportunities and constraints they find in their lives. Without being judged for it.

If money is the most important thing to you. Good luck. If it's ambition within a career - winning and beating everyone else, fine. It's quality of life, fine. If it's culture, travelling, or even just the food that you're surrounded by, then fine.

Just don't judge and tell people how to live their life any more than you'd like to be judged.

[Snigger]

I guess the point I'm really making is that everybody should be free to choose their career and employer based on whatever motivations, opportunities and constraints they find in their lives. Without being judged for it.

If money is the most important thing to you. Good luck. If it's ambition within a career - winning and beating everyone else, fine. It's quality of life, fine. If it's culture, travelling, or even just the food that you're surrounded by, then fine.

Just don't judge and tell people how to live their life any more than you'd like to be judged.

Does that go for Coutinho refusing to play and Suarez biting people to get out of their contracts and force a move too?

[dom9]

Does that go for Coutinho refusing to play and Suarez biting people to get out of their contracts and force a move too?

That depends on what your opinion is of unprofessionalism.

Personally I'm not in favour. I think that if you're paid to do a job, then you should do it.

Presumably you'd be cool with it as the intended outcome would result in a transfer fee to the selling club?

[Kenneth]

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[Snigger]

That depends on what your opinion is of unprofessionalism.

Personally I'm not in favour. I think that if you're paid to do a job, then you should do it.

Presumably you'd be cool with it as the intended outcome would result in a transfer fee to the selling club?

Nope, but it better than missing out on millions in revenue - just wondered what you meant by everyone is free to chose a career and employer.

Can is leaving for free, with Keita, Fab and possibly Fekir coming in he's effectively being upgraded so why don't we leave it at that.

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[dom9]

so why don't we leave it at that.

Because you keep asking me questions.

Anyhow, it should be obvious what I meant. If not, I apologise for not explaining myself properly.

[Roboklopp]

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I agree with Dom tho.

[BillobShaisley]

Nope, but it better than missing out on millions in revenue - just wondered what you meant by everyone is free to chose a career and employer.

Can is leaving for free, with Keita, Fab and possibly Fekir coming in he's effectively being upgraded so why don't we leave it at that.

Honesty counts for a lot. Mickey Owen kept reassuring everyone he would sign, let his contract run down then jumped in a surprise that cost us millions.

Emre Can made it clear right at the start that he wants to be 1st choice. As he isn't, he'll only sign a new deal that had an exit clause that would enable him to leave for the sort of suitor that would make him first choice. Also that as he'd been on low wages for a while he felt it was fair that he got a big pay rise and a low(ish) release clause. He did all this with 2years on his contract.

i.e. "Ball in your court LFC, you know what the situation is, you can sell me now for good money, next year for some money or let me go for free at the end. Whatever you choose, I'll still give my best in training and on match days, I wont bitch or moan and I wont unsettle anyone."

Moneyball analysts, I suspect looked at the reduced fee we paid for him, saved wages by having him as a squaddie versus signing anyone and offset that against the fee for sales and risk of change. We had cheap cover for 2 years and a good pro, he got a move to a biggish club who really want him and the chance to win things sooner rather than later.

I cant fault Emre, whether the club made the right decision we will see but I cant fault the overall logic if you look at it all in context.

[danperkins]

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[Red_Polo]

Honesty counts for a lot. Mickey Owen kept reassuring everyone he would sign, let his contract run down then jumped in a surprise that cost us millions.

Emre Can made it clear right at the start that he wants to be 1st choice. As he isn't, he'll only sign a new deal that had an exit clause that would enable him to leave for the sort of suitor that would make him first choice. Also that as he'd been on low wages for a while he felt it was fair that he got a big pay rise and a low(ish) release clause. He did all this with 2years on his contract.

i.e. "Ball in your court LFC, you know what the situation is, you can sell me now for good money, next year for some money or let me go for free at the end. Whatever you choose, I'll still give my best in training and on match days, I wont bitch or moan and I wont unsettle anyone."

Moneyball analysts, I suspect looked at the reduced fee we paid for him, saved wages by having him as a squaddie versus signing anyone and offset that against the fee for sales and risk of change. We had cheap cover for 2 years and a good pro, he got a move to a biggish club who really want him and the chance to win things sooner rather than later.

I cant fault Emre, whether the club made the right decision we will see but I cant fault the overall logic if you look at it all in context.

[Nicey]

That's what negotiations are though. There is nothing wrong with one party stating their expectations and the other not agreeing with it, it's actually more honest than anything else.

He hasn't made the 'right sounds' because he was honest and he was honest in a respectful way whilst continuing to focus on the games for the team.

If you only want players who love the club as much as the fans, you're in the wrong century I'm afraid. They are mostly driven by desire to win things or money or both.

Fair enough to a point but you are missing one big point, he and 30 of his fellow football playing compatriots on his agent's books have all ran their contracts down. I have an issue with this. He'll probably do the same at Juve. Anyways a game of opinions etc

[Assassin]

Fair enough to a point but you are missing one big point, he and 30 of his fellow football playing compatriots on his agent's books have all ran their contracts down. I have an issue with this. He'll probably do the same at Juve. Anyways a game of opinions etc

Nicey has issues

[topscorer]

Fair enough to a point but you are missing one big point, he and 30 of his fellow football playing compatriots on his agent's books have all ran their contracts down. I have an issue with this. He'll probably do the same at Juve. Anyways a game of opinions etc

It wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing if all the players did the same and the idea of buying and selling someone was eliminated from the game. But by doing the same thing I mean both ways, players also respecting the contracts they happily signed instead of throwing their toys out of the pram when a bigger club comes along and your contracted club doesn't want to sell.