Divock Origi

[dww]

A fit and firing Sturridge is one of the best out there, it's great though we've got someone else that could push him for a starting slot. So many seasons having to rely on one decent striker staying fit with no other real options it makes a pleasant change !

Personally though I think it is a bit of an issue that Sturridge doesn't really seem to fit with any of Klopp's preferred patterns of play. It will be interesting to see if that is changed by the additions of Mane and Wijnaldum.

[Doc_Piptorious]

Personally though I think it is a bit of an issue that Sturridge doesn't really seem to fit with any of Klopp's preferred patterns of play. It will be interesting to see if that is changed by the additions of Mane and Wijnaldum.

The other side of that is Sturridge has a better goals to games ratio to any striker that Klopp has managed in the past, especially in league football, so that sort of quality probably means that the manager has to fit to the player almost as much as the player has to fit to the manager.

At times it is almost unbelievable how overlooked by the football media Sturridge can be. Yes he has missed a lot of time through injury, but in terms of ability and goalscoring one really needs to look at some of the best names in the game to find his peers. Lewandowski during his time at Dortmund comes very close to Sturridge's record at Liverpool so that is the level of player that Sturridge can match and beat in terms of goal output.

If Origi can go on to be a striker with even 75% to 80% of Sturridge's goal to games ratio then he will have a very good career.

[dww]

I think individual goals-to-game ratios are slightly unhelpful though. The question is does the team score/win more in the end.

I'm inclined to agree or at least would be if he was fit more. Changing the team setup for the fraction of the season he is available might not be worth it if that comes at the expense of creating a sustainable way of playing without him.

[RedReet]

There is no way Sturridge would be happy with it, but Origi playing like he did pre-injury last season, with Sturridge coming off the bench against tiring defenders would be

[Charly]

I think individual goals-to-game ratios are slightly unhelpful though. The question is does the team score/win more in the end.

I'm inclined to agree or at least would be if he was fit more. Changing the team setup for the fraction of the season he is available might not be worth it if that comes at the expense of creating a sustainable way of playing without him.

I think it speaks to the quality of the player. You would be silly to completely ignore... Its not as if his goals are tap ins. And he finished second leading scorer in the league when playing in a wide positon before his problems

His injuries are the only question mark against him as far as I am concerned.

Not sure I would swap him for anyone else until je proven beyond a doubt he was finish (unless it was Suarez).

I cant see why Klopp would not like hom... he can play in any of the three attacking positions

[Doc_Piptorious]

I think individual goals-to-game ratios are slightly unhelpful though. The question is does the team score/win more in the end.

I'm inclined to agree or at least would be if he was fit more. Changing the team setup for the fraction of the season he is available might not be worth it if that comes at the expense of creating a sustainable way of playing without him.

Tbh I was thinking more along the lines of if he was available for 25 league games or better (as a starter) in a season rather than if he was only available for a third or so of a season.

As for whether or not the team would win more with him in the team. I think that if Sturridge is fit, then he is a genuine difference maker with the rate he gets goals.

Just take last season. He was involved in 14 league games and he scored 8 times and got one assist.



His 8 goals.

2 at home against Villa made the difference between a win and a loss.

1 away to Villa was the goal that gave us the lead in a game in which we thrashed Villa 6-0.

1 away to Southampton which put us 2-0 up. Then Skrtel came on and we know what happened in that game.

1 at home to Stoke. Was the goal that made it 2-0 in a game we won 4-1.

1 away to Bournemouth. He got the second goal in a game we won 2-1.

1 home to Everton. He got the third goal in a 4-0 kicking.

1 home to Newcastle. Opening goal in a game we went on to draw 2-2.


So he scored in 7 games. We won 5, drew 1 and lost 1.


His assist came at home against Spurs and it was for the goal that gave us the lead in a game we ended up drawing.


Granted that is from a small sample of games in which he scored, but two things stand out straight away for me from those games from last season.

The first is that we usually won the games in which he got a goal, and the second is that he has a habit of getting either the opening goal or the second goal in those games.


Even his assist lead to the first goal in a game.

[Irishnev]

Beating the ****e sides in this league is the way to make a mark and Sturridge will help with that more than Origi. If he can stay fit and he plays 30 league games for us I think he'll get s 20+ goals.

Origi can play in the tough away games (or Firmino) where we need a willing runner in the channels and we won't have as much of the ball. I can even see Origi playing as a wide player in certain games with Studge up top.

The thing is Origi seems to have a heck of a lot of potential and that is a good thing BUT Studge is a proven goalscorer in this league and if Origi can get near his level then he'll be one heck of a player.

[Patricks_Berger]

Tbh I was thinking more along the lines of if he was available for 25 league games or better (as a starter) in a season rather than if he was only available for a third or so of a season.

As for whether or not the team would win more with him in the team. I think that if Sturridge is fit, then he is a genuine difference maker with the rate he gets goals.

Just take last season. He was involved in 14 league games and he scored 8 times and got one assist.



His 8 goals.

2 at home against Villa made the difference between a win and a loss.

1 away to Villa was the goal that gave us the lead in a game in which we thrashed Villa 6-0.

1 away to Southampton which put us 2-0 up. Then Skrtel came on and we know what happened in that game.

1 at home to Stoke. Was the goal that made it 2-0 in a game we won 4-1.

1 away to Bournemouth. He got the second goal in a game we won 2-1.

1 home to Everton. He got the third goal in a 4-0 kicking.

1 home to Newcastle. Opening goal in a game we went on to draw 2-2.


So he scored in 7 games. We won 5, drew 1 and lost 1.


His assist came at home against Spurs and it was for the goal that gave us the lead in a game we ended up drawing.


Granted that is from a small sample of games in which he scored, but two things stand out straight away for me from those games from last season.

The first is that we usually won the games in which he got a goal, and the second is that he has a habit of getting either the opening goal or the second goal in those games.


Even his assist lead to the first goal in a game.

Unbelievable how he is overlooked and undervalued. Maybe if he had turned up in an era where there was no Suarez he might get the respect he deserves rather than all this "oh he doesn't run around enough so Klopp won't like him"

[redmike65]

Origi will keep his place by dint of hard work and scoring some goals but working the channels will be what Klopp will appreciate. It'll be as much up to Coutinho, Firmino and Mane to score as Derek.

[Doc_Piptorious]

Origi will keep his place by dint of hard work and scoring some goals but working the channels will be what Klopp will appreciate. It'll be as much up to Coutinho, Firmino and Mane to score as Derek.

Goals will be what decides who our regular or main striker is. If all our attackers stay fit, then it will be the one most potent in front of goal that will get the nod more often than not, and the best of the rest will be his cover.

I think it is a bit too easy to think of it as Sturridge or Origi. A fit Sturridge is close to being a world class finisher and we do not have a second one of those in the squad at present so it is hard to argue against picking the high quality guy if he gets goals.

But as I said it is a bit too easy to see it as Sturridge or Origi. I think the likes of Mane, Coutinho, Firmino etc., are going to be the ones pressed harder by Origi for a starting berth and Origi's ability to play the flanks as well as in the second striker role will put those players under threat more than it will Sturridge imho if those players do not hit the ground running.

A fit Sturridge and a fit inform Origi does not make for a one or the other situation in my eyes, it simply means that some other player is probably at risk of losing their own starting berth if they are not performing to a high level.

[BigChief]

Origi is ace. Said as much before he went to Lille and after he was slated by the whole French nation. But, being a hardened pessimist, I don't like the injuries he keeps getting.

My prediction for our forward lineup is that Studge and Origi will be long-ish term out by October. Leaving us with the also not un-injured Ings. And Firmino / Mane up front.

[Buzzo]

My prediction for our forward lineup is that Studge and Origi will be long-ish term out by October. Leaving us with the also not un-injured Ings. And Firmino / Mane up front.

That's some next level pessimism right there yo.

[Patricks_Berger]

Origi is ace. Said as much before he went to Lille and after he was slated by the whole French nation. But, being a hardened pessimist, I don't like the injuries he keeps getting.

My prediction for our forward lineup is that Studge and Origi will be long-ish term out by October. Leaving us with the also not un-injured Ings. And Firmino / Mane up front.

Which injuries are those?

[BigChief]

Which injuries are those?

I'll have to look them up but wasn't he injured twice last season alone?

[Patricks_Berger]

I'll have to look them up but wasn't he injured twice last season alone?

Well one of those was when some ****house Everton defender stamped on his ankle - and he came back quicker than expected.