Jürgen Klopp

[PTP]

But it will be the same line up, We will stuff Arsenal and the same team wont turn up the following week. Rinse and repeat.

that is the frustrating thing and to be fair - i'd prob stick with the same time for the big games - so far it's proven to work....

but for the lesser sides we clearly need to do something different

[red g]

that is the frustrating thing and to be fair - i'd prob stick with the same time for the big games - so far it's proven to work....

but for the lesser sides we clearly need to do something different

Was it Neville or Carragher but one said ( Which i suggested a while ago) to sit deeper on occasions and play to our counter attacking strength instead of always playing a high line.

Lucas vs Vardy with a point to prove was never going to end well.

[red g]

I really do hope one thing to come out of this cluster**** is that Klopps starts to respect teams a little bit more.

[danperkins]

yeah totally agree with what carragher said - lucas should not be in there.

he's done a job as a makeshift now and then, likewise milner at left back....but ultimately neither are playing in the right position and it's caught up with us now.

Something wrong when Klopp signs Klavan and then picks Lucas out of position instead - why bother signing Klavan (not even mentioning the sakho issue)

but yeah a change of set up would be great - 3 at the back, get Gomez in there - play Moreno as a left wing back to give us some pace and width - why not try Mane as the centre forward alongside Origi and try and get them both making runs in behind filling the box and working the channels etc.

Anything really

absolutely. At least Klavan is a CB, regardless if he a poor CB it's still his position. Same goes for Moreno (who is dire) and Milner. It just doesn't make sense. If your CB & LB are so bad that you have to play players from different positions there instead... then you have serious squad problems. So Jan is a poor window, few options, over paying etc is it worse taking a risk rather than playing a slow CM at LB & a legless DM at CB? (I don't mean any disrespect to either player as it's not their fault they have been asked to play there) & that's not even talking about the GK situation. Obviously not cut and dry and we don't know who available or who we went for etc but surely alarm bells should have been ringing with the squad being as it is? I do also agree that we have a serious habit of showing a complete lack of respect to the lesser sides and to our detriment. That for me says something about the mindset of the current crop of players.

I get that we will not pay huge money for players & if we don't think they are worth it blah blah blah but sometimes you have to. Sometimes the end result justifies that outlay. I honestly think FSG are scared out of their wits to spend on players unless they are absolutely sure they fit the bill. Likes of Carroll, Downing, Benteke, Balotelli etc IMO has them very reluctant to take a chance or over pay.

If we do not get Champs League football and with our form, squad & the current competition for that 4th spot, it is a possiblity .... we will have to over pay in the summer to grab the players that will cost big money but that are willing to play outside the champs league. We need quality, we need egos, we need leaders, we need winners. This type of player costs money, more money than we want to pay but has to be done these days. Also, every team needs a few proper cunts in them and our lads are just too nicey nicey. There is zero personality and balls in that squad. Someone mentioned that we are a team of losers & I completely agree. We've known the mentality was a huge weak point for years now. Maybe a hang over from Rodgers era or maybe we just keep buying a load of pussies.

City, Chelsea & United recently over spent outside of the champs league places to get back into the champs league places, it was a necessary evil to justify an end result. We do not have their money but we could easily do it on a smaller scale & IMO that is what is it going to take in the modern game to succeed. This buy a youngster, develop him in to a top player etc sounds amazing but youngsters need time to settled and progress & sure "if" they turn into a top player, why the **** would they want to stay at a club that is winning nothing? It's a vicious cycle. We have some talented players in our side at the moment that it would be nice to build in and around them with more quality but what is and has happened over the years is that they will inevitably get pissed off playing in a team that is doing nothing and will leave.... then the cycle starts again. I can't see Coutinho being here next season, he is a top class talent and how will he want to go in his careers being a serial loser?

It's a ****ing exhausting job being a LFC supporter, you can almost predict what is going to happen every season. Succeeding by focusing on developing youth in a winning side or a team like Leicester winning the league on a shoe string budget is an anomaly. Modern football demands you spend big money to get the best players out there. There is an odd occasion where the big fish loses but it is rare. Good scouts may work in between those lines but you have to overpay to get the best most of the time in the modern game of football. If our attitude is against that, well then get used to this **** as it will become the norm.

Klopp needs to be back, backed to the hilt. Give him a huge budget and lets actually make a real ****ing go at it. None of this sell to buy nonsense, it has got us nowhere. At the moment we are just existing, we got the manager we want apparently so lets stop ****ing around and challenge with the big boys.

[PTP]

Was it Neville or Carragher but one said ( Which i suggested a while ago) to sit deeper on occasions and play to our counter attacking strength instead of always playing a high line.

Lucas vs Vardy with a point to prove was never going to end well.

yeah they both said it - carragher was fuming over it and Neville was saying things like have they not watched Leicester at all

[PTP]

Not going to quote the whole thing dan

but yeah - nail on head - looking at sterling - that was a prime example of buying young talent and developing and he couldn't wait to get out - granted £50m was a lot of money for and he's a long way from being the finished article, however he's the one 'standout' success if you like in terms of us buying young potential and developing and he'd waltz into our side at present and would have been a huge asset when mane was away

i'm all for finding quality, young potential players and developing etc - but you also need to compliment them with quality established, experienced, leaders etc

[Doc_Piptorious]

Was it Neville or Carragher but one said ( Which i suggested a while ago) to sit deeper on occasions and play to our counter attacking strength instead of always playing a high line.

Lucas vs Vardy with a point to prove was never going to end well.

What counter attacking strengths? Generally a team that sits and waits to hit on the counter has plenty of pace in their line up. Mane aside we are a very one paced team.

Our main strength, when it works, is to press high up the pitch and force errors. Which often works very well when a team is willing to meet us head on, but not so well when the other team sits back and invites us on.

Not so sure we have the players/tactics/mentality to sit back and invite other teams onto us in the hope we can get Mane away on a quick counter.

[danperkins]

What counter attacking strengths? Generally a team that sits and waits to hit on the counter has plenty of pace in their line up. Mane aside we are a very one paced team.

Our main strength, when it works, is to press high up the pitch and force errors. Which often works very well when a team is willing to meet us head on, but not so well when the other team sits back and invites us on.

Not so sure we have the players/tactics/mentality to sit back and invite other teams onto us in the hope we can get Mane away on a quick counter.

this is exactly it. We are so one dimensional. last night Leicester pressed us high in the first half, gave us no time on the ball and force defensive errors & then in the second half they sat deep and caught us on the counter. Both halves negated our game in different ways and we had no answer to either.

And yeah take Mane out of our side and we are pedestrian.

[Fredo]

Was it Neville or Carragher but one said ( Which i suggested a while ago) to sit deeper on occasions and play to our counter attacking strength instead of always playing a high line.

Lucas vs Vardy with a point to prove was never going to end well.

Neville and Carra both have outstanding records as manager.

[dom9]

Neville and Carra both have outstanding records as manager.

As do you.

And everyone else.

[Buzzo]

Neville and Carra both have outstanding records as manager.

As do you.

And everyone else.

It's a sarcasm war

[dom9]

It's a sarcasm war

If you can't anull everyone's opinion in one fell swoop, and render the whole competitive wailing and teeth knashing irrelevant at the same time, then what can you do?

:shrugs:

[Fredo]

As do you.

And everyone else.

Absolutely.

Difference is I'm not arguing any theories of why we're currently under performing, which seems to look as very obvious based on a number of people's judgment.

[Buzzo]

If you can't anull everyone's opinion in one fell swoop, and render the whole competitive wailing and teeth knashing irrelevenant at the same time, then what can you do?

:shrugs:

Ending the debate, the absolute holy grail of online forums.

[Red_Polo]

Absolutely.

Difference is I'm not arguing any theories of why we're currently under performing, which seems to look as very obvious based on a number of people's judgment.

Indeed. You're saying absolutely nothing of note at all.