Jürgen Klopp

[danperkins]

And I would agree that it is not an unreasonable thing to suggest, however we saw in the summer that we only got Thiago and Jota through staged payment deals, and we our income down to a massive degree over the past almost 12 months I would suggest that the only way we could get in a prime target at present would be through doing a similar stagger payment deal which a selling team may not wish to do.

We don't have oil or Russian money backing us so we have to operate on more or less a spend as you make type way, and the last 12 months what we made is less than we usually would have. Even something like cashing in on winning the title has been taken away from us thanks to covid. Less fans less case, but no fans and that means a hell of a lot less income over the course of a season. And the more fans have to view the game from a distance nd watch games on tv that are being played in passionless stadia, the more, and this is just my own opinion, the regular long distance fan feels a disconnect with the team/sport and the less inclined she or he will be to go out and spend on club merch.

So do not think it is as simple as just going out and buying player X or Y.

Also seen it said in a few places that Klopp is not a big fan of getting in players on loans so if there was any truth in that, then maybe that is why we do not seem interested in what looks a no brainer short term fix in Eder Militao.

Personally Militao ticks a lot of boxes for me for a short term fix. Fast, strong, decent in the air, and a good passer of the ball. He is young, younger than our Philips, but a lot more experienced than either of Philips or Williams and whilst there probably would be some bedding in mistakes I would see him as being at a level far above the two I named, plus with Alisson and Fab at the back he would have fellow countrymen there to help with language issues etc.

But If Klopp is not looking for a loan player, or if we cannot buy without a staggered payment deal, then it is really hard to see how we could realistically bring in someone of quality and by quality I do not mean a VVD level player, just someone who is a lot better than Philips and/or Williams and maybe close to a Matip or Gomez level.

Sorry mate only seen this now. This is the way I see it. During the summer not replacing Lovren was a calculated risk, it backfired but fair enough. Not bolstering the CB positions in this window imo is utterly bizarre.

[labourRed]

Sorry mate only seen this now. This is the way I see it. During the summer not replacing Lovren was a calculated risk, it backfired but fair enough. Not bolstering the CB positions in this window imo is utterly bizarre.

Rhys is in no way cut out for this level. He did well in one or two games but long term we're finding out Andre Wisdom would be a better option.

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Klopp must think Nat Philips is dog****e

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[Buzzo]

Klopp must think Nat Philips is dog****e

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I think he knows PHILLIPS limitations. It’s depressing to say but Williams is better on the ball than Phillips, they are both very slow.

Wonder how far away Koumetio is? Everyone else has had a go.

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Koumetio had the big ups and then when he had his chance was piss poor. He is too young and not ready yet either

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[Venton]

You can't bring kids into a struggling team where the player next to them is out out of position and expect them to flourish. Just the way it is. We don't have much other option though so we're just going to have to suck it up for a while.

[Buzzo]

Koumetio had the big ups and then when he had his chance was piss poor. He is too young and not ready yet either

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I don’t remember him playing? Was it League cup?

[danperkins]

You can't bring kids into a struggling team where the player next to them is out out of position and expect them to flourish. Just the way it is. We don't have much other option though so we're just going to have to suck it up for a while.

Hard to believe the premier league champions and recent champions league winners are in such a position.

[Buzzo]

We have had some insane CB pairings this season.

It’s not as if the kids who have come in have been absolute trail blazers that we have all been desperate to see. I’d never heard of Rhys Williams until he played in the early rounds of the Caraboa.

Then playing against Utd with Hendo and Fab at CB. If someone had told us this would happen pre season we would not have believed it.

[Mark79]

Rhys Williams was playing in the National League North last season.

And of it weren’t for our injury situation, he’d be playing there again or at best League 2 this season.

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I don’t remember him playing? Was it League cup?

Played in Denmark champs league game

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I don’t remember him playing? Was it League cup?

He came on for Fabinho against Mityland in the CL

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[Venton]

Hard to believe the premier league champions and recent champions league winners are in such a position.

It's freakish really. You can see what Klopp was trying to do - change up the attack by introducing Jota, beef up the midfield by bringing in a quality playmaker, change the style a bit but not so much as you're changing everything at once. Then bang, the whole defence is out, including your keeper for a while. You lose the striker who is there to freshen up your front line and who was scoring for fun. And your playmaker gets knackered. Next thing you're playing one of your best midfielders in the centre of defence next to a three year old. It's not surprising our finely honed system is a bit knackered at the moment.

Re buying another centre back, I can see what FSG are thinking. Anyone good enough right now would cost a mint and their medium view must be that revenues will be right off. I don't think crowds will be back for next season, never mind this one. You have to be careful.

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It's no wonder we are struggling. The first thing you as a team is to have a solid base. Everything springs from there. Not only are we chopping and changing like crazy. The quality of the replacements are really poor at times. A perfect storm for the mediocrity we see now.

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[Doc_Piptorious]

Sorry mate only seen this now. This is the way I see it. During the summer not replacing Lovren was a calculated risk, it backfired but fair enough. Not bolstering the CB positions in this window imo is utterly bizarre.

I am of the same thinking as you in that we both agree that a CB (or two) are badly needed now rather than in the summer.

However I don't think it is as simple as just going out and getting someone. Finances are all over the place and getting in a CB, buying not loaning, that is of the standard we need and that has the qualities that Klopp seems to value in a CB would be either very expensive or be part of a very short list of names that may be at clubs that are unwilling to sell to us in January.

The loan option however seems, to me anyway, to be a bit of a no brainer as it gives us the chance of getting in a short term fix that is of higher calibre than either Wiliams or Philips with less outlay than a purchase and the short term nature means we are not stuck with a player long term if he does not work out. The lack of a loan move I suspect may be down to Klopp more than the owners as it has long been rumoured that he prefers to bring in a player he can work with long term over a player that will only be making up the numbers for five or six months. As said earlier in the thread, Militao on a loan with an option to buy really seems a very obvious short term fix that would have the potential to be a long term boon.

I also have a feeling that another reason, on top of any financial reasons, that we may not be moving for a CB is that one (or two) of the CBs that Klopp really wants currently play at Leipzig ( Mukiele, Konate and Upamecano) and that getting one from there in January would be very difficult given they play us in the CL next and they are second in their own league.