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    #481
    Originally posted by Exiled_red View Post
    It's complete bull****, it seems that Cameroon have refused to accept his retirement and called him up on that basis, if that is the case FIFA will uphold that and will punish us if we play him.

    The question is what is the punishment likely to be if we were to play him? A fine for the club? A ban for Matip? Expulsion of us from cup competition if we play him in a cup game? Points deduction?

    The problem is challenging FIFA/UEFA rules through the CAS typically impose greater restrictions on the player/club that we would get by just accepting the bull****, which is completely unfair, but is why nothing changes.
    The wider view is how can you force a player to do something against his will?

    If the player has retired that should kill the argument stone dead. No country should have call on that player once he has retired, it's probably a breach of his human rights
    Bob Paisley - "This club has been my life. I'd go out and sweep the street and be proud to do it for Liverpool if they asked me to."

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      #482
      Originally posted by Lecter View Post
      The wider view is how can you force a player to do something against his will?

      If the player has retired that should kill the argument stone dead. No country should have call on that player once he has retired, it's probably a breach of his human rights
      I was amazed it didn't go against some sort of forced labour law or, if they've banned him, limiting his ability to carry out his contracted employment. Do international players actually have contracts because if not they can't make him fo ****.
      A lot of people run a race to see who is fastest. I run to see who has the most guts, who can punish himself into exhausting pace, and then at the end, punish himself even more.

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        #483
        Originally posted by Lecter View Post
        The wider view is how can you force a player to do something against his will?

        If the player has retired that should kill the argument stone dead. No country should have call on that player once he has retired, it's probably a breach of his human rights
        I'm not saying that it is right, but the way the FIFA rules appear to be written it seems that you can force a player to play against his will, or more precisely at least you can punish them for not playing.

        I agree that the retirement should kill the arguement stone dead, but seemingly it doesn't other wise we wouldn't be in this position.

        The problem seems to be that in order to challenge this unjust rule the player/club will have to either risk the punishment if they continue to play the player or lose the player until the issue is resolved which won't be done quickly especially if it has to go to court, either way its the player/club that lose out as is the case with most FIFA rules.
        The only gracious way to accept an insult is to ignore it; if you can't ignore it, top it; if you can't top it, laugh at it; if you can't laugh at it, it's probably deserved.

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          #484
          Originally posted by Rowan View Post
          I was amazed it didn't go against some sort of forced labour law or, if they've banned him, limiting his ability to carry out his contracted employment. Do international players actually have contracts because if not they can't make him fo ****.
          I don't see how they can have contracts, the problem is the rules in football are so different to 'normal jobs', presumably there is some BS rule that in order to play you are agreeing to abide by the rules of the FA/UEFA/FIFA.
          The only gracious way to accept an insult is to ignore it; if you can't ignore it, top it; if you can't top it, laugh at it; if you can't laugh at it, it's probably deserved.

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            #485
            [ame]https://twitter.com/AnfieldHQ/status/821095553891176448[/ame]

            [ame]https://twitter.com/AnfieldHQ/status/821095684610883585[/ame]
            Thanks very much for being ‘This Mornings’ Farmer’

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              #486
              If he has sent something official announcing his retirement from International Football I fail to see the issue here? Players retire from International football all the time.

              It seems amazing this is happening again given we ended up in almost exactly the same situation with Sakho last season, albeit for a more serious accusation.
              Modifying post.

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                #487
                This is clearly a ludicrous situation. As long as Matip has informed the Cameroon FA of his intention NOT to be considered for international selection then that should be the end of it. Both he and the Cameroon FA should have documentation to show that this is the case and therefore he should be available to the club that he has a contract with.

                Frankly for FIFA to be flapping around is a sign of extreme incompetence - but then we're talking FIFA here.
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                  #488
                  It should be Matip not Liverpool taking this up

                  At the moment its judged Liverpool vs FIFA / AFCON / Cameroon and thus little sympathy is shed.

                  However, if was Matip vs FIFA /AFCON / Cameroon with his written note waving in the wind and stating I'm being forced (ala slavery) then a different spin comes to the fore.
                  I make no apologies, this is me

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                    #489
                    A final decision will be made tomorrow over Matip’s participation at Home Park but Klopp is keen to get him back in the side. (James Pearce)

                    #LFC could be hit with a heavy fine or expulsion from the FA Cup for playing Matip but are confident it won’t come to that. (James Pearce)

                    Both Matip & #LFC are adamant he's fulfilled all criteria to avoid being selected & investigation would find in their favour. (James Pearce)

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                      #490
                      Total Farce from Fifa and The Cameroon Fa

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                        #491
                        I can't help wondering whether we could threaten the Cameroon FA with some form of legal action. I doubt very much they have two pots to piss in so even if our case was fundamentally weak (and it doesn't appear that it is) hopefully they would cave in rather than saddle themselves with some hefty barrister fees.

                        That or chuck them a sweetener to **** off permanently. I bet there are a few at the top of the Cameroon FA who would do the right thing for a swiss bank deposit.

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                          #492
                          Originally posted by Exiled_red View Post
                          I don't see how they can have contracts, the problem is the rules in football are so different to 'normal jobs', presumably there is some BS rule that in order to play you are agreeing to abide by the rules of the FA/UEFA/FIFA.
                          They can't trump the laws of a country though, surely. Extrapolate it to an extreme - what if the rules is that you must give head of FIFA a blowjob on demand?
                          Football without Origi is nothing

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                            #493
                            Originally posted by Cormack74 View Post
                            I can't help wondering whether we could threaten the Cameroon FA with some form of legal action. I doubt very much they have two pots to piss in so even if our case was fundamentally weak (and it doesn't appear that it is) hopefully they would cave in rather than saddle themselves with some hefty barrister fees.
                            FIFA would bankroll them. They couldn't possibly afford not to and allow a precedent to be set.
                            Football without Origi is nothing

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                              #494
                              Originally posted by ChesterDave View Post
                              They can't trump the laws of a country though, surely. Extrapolate it to an extreme - what if the rules is that you must give head of FIFA a blowjob on demand?
                              The players and clubs will agree to be bound by the rules of the governing bodies, as long as the rules do not give the players less rights than the laws of the country they will be legal. These rules shouldn't trump the laws of the country or give the players less rights than those laws, but FIFA can try and enforce them until they are legally challenged and overturned, if they haven't been legally challenged then they will stand. You only have to look at examples such as employers paying below the minimum wage, it isn't legal but companies were doing it until they were taken to court.
                              Last edited by Exiled_red; 16-01-17, 10:30 PM.
                              The only gracious way to accept an insult is to ignore it; if you can't ignore it, top it; if you can't top it, laugh at it; if you can't laugh at it, it's probably deserved.

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                                #495
                                Originally posted by ChesterDave View Post
                                FIFA would bankroll them. They couldn't possibly afford not to and allow a precedent to be set.
                                The only gracious way to accept an insult is to ignore it; if you can't ignore it, top it; if you can't top it, laugh at it; if you can't laugh at it, it's probably deserved.

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