Trent Alexander-Arnold

[Doc_Piptorious]

You’d think Trent was the main reason our form has dropped off reading comments on here, yes he’s not been amazing since his injury but neither have the rest of the team.

I think it will be interesting to see what a new manager does with him

No he is not the main reason, but he is also meant to be one of our stand out players, one of our world class players that excels.

He is a senior player and vice captain so don't think it is unfair to suggest that he should be one of those leading by example on the pitch and more often than not looking a cut above the players regarded as not being world class.

[rudedog]

No he is not the main reason, but he is also meant to be one of our stand out players, one of our world class players that excels.

He is a senior player and vice captain so don't think it is unfair to suggest that he should be one of those leading by example on the pitch and more often than not looking a cut above the players regarded as not being world class.

You can make that argument for any of our “world class” players recent form though - except for Ali, all of them have been well under par.

Just seems ridiculous to suggest he has no future here, especially with a new manager coming.

[Doc_Piptorious]

You can make that argument for any of our “world class” players recent form though - except for Ali, all of them have been well under par.

Just seems ridiculous to suggest he has no future here, especially with a new manager coming.

Whilst his contract is ticking down it is not ridiculous to suggest it.



And yeah I have made the same arguement for our other world class names in similar situations to him.


His form has not been consistent at all the past 12+ months, his assist return has also dropped off so he cannot supplement his drop off in form with some sort of return in the way Salah has done.


I have long lauded his talent, I have long said I think he was the best attacking right back in the game for a number of seasons, I have in the past said that I thought his alleged defensive flaws were over blown.


However he has for some time been a shadow of the player he was. He does not have the excuse of being in his 30s, he cannot hide behind being a young up and coming player, he cannot expect to have an average or poor game for every good game he has.


He is a 25 year old player that is one of our top wage earners and gets lauded as being world class. He needs to actually show he is a world class player rather than being what he is now and that is a player that on occassion turns in a world class performance.


If come next month he commits to a contract extension and then starts next season looking like he is up for it, then opinions will change. but if come August we are talking about how he now only has four months before he can sign a pre contract with a foreign club, well think he will be showing where he wants to be or rather does not want to be.

[rudedog]

That’s fine, fans are entitled to give up on players if they want

I don’t have to agree with it though

[Doc_Piptorious]

That’s fine, fans are entitled to give up on players if they want

I don’t have to agree with it though

Nobody is saying you have to give up on anyone or not have a differing opinion.


On a forum I will criticise a player if I think the player has been phoning in performances. I go to a game and I will spend the game roaring that same player on and then complain after the game if the player did not look like he was working as hard as other players.]


Is just my opinion and guys like TAA I tend to hold to a higher standard than less talented non local players simply because I have seen just how good he can be and to see this lesser version of him for much of this season and again last season is a disappointment.

The running down of his contract is also a bugbear and more so after his interview with Carragher a month or so ago when he said he did not see himself as a one club player when asked about his current contract.


What I would love is that in a year's time you are quoting posts of mine about TAA and saying "Bet you are glad we still have him" after TAA has signed a new contract and put in a stormer of a season.

[Patricks_Berger]

Not sure i agree with that. Robbo has done magnificently well into his late 20's in the same role. Trent's a good 4 or 5 years younger, no physical reason he couldn't still be marauding up and down the right hand side of the pitch just now.

But we didn’t start Robbo doing it from 18 years of age (more like 24) and even so he seems to be missing a lot of games these days and isn’t the force he was.

It’s the miles on the clock more than the years.

[Deano]

Maybe Klopps lack of a real ruthless side in getting rid of players at the right time has made some players too comfortable and they can get away with more because of their history with him and the club.

That is a really fair point, Loyalty cost Jk last year whereas Edwards was blunt and would have let them go

[Norbs]

But we didn’t start Robbo doing it from 18 years of age (more like 24) and even so he seems to be missing a lot of games these days and isn’t the force he was.

It’s the miles on the clock more than the years.

I agree. Early age burn out, Owen suffered from it too

[Kenneth]

But we didn’t start Robbo doing it from 18 years of age (more like 24) and even so he seems to be missing a lot of games these days and isn’t the force he was.

It’s the miles on the clock more than the years.

Robbo was an attacking fullback since he was a kid too though, albeit not for us. Kyle walker is still doing it with 100% more energy at 34. I know everyone is different, but physical burnout seems like the least likely option to me.

[BG1973]

Yeah can't see that.

It's not a straightforward answer and I think the more his role gets adjusted (for whatever reason) the more confusing and ineffective it is.

Can't see it getting better either so with emergence of Bradley then better to get a fee this summer if available and move on.

[baitman]

I agree. Early age burn out, Owen suffered from it too

Just watch how much effort he puts in at Madrid.

[Doc_Piptorious]

Just watch how much effort he puts in at Madrid.

If he goes there, he will be a right back and expected to provide his long range passing from the flank.


Not a hope that he displaces any of Bellingham, Camavinga, Tchouameni or Valverde from a central spot. All four bring far more physicality and movement to the roles they excel in and would be debatable if he could raise his game to bring the sort of passing accuracy Tchouameni has when in a deeper or more central midfield role.


Valverde brings huge energy, really good passing and the ability to run at players and beat them all game long.


Bellingham is a top tier all rounder with genuine end product.

Then we have Camavinga who is both a passing machine and a bit of a defensive monster who is great at pressing and at beating a press.


Every single one of those guys is quick, strong, high energy and very technical.


Three of them are younger than TAA with Valverde being the only one that is the same age as TAA.

Is no knock on TAA not being better than those guys imo as they are all top tier midfielders whereas TAA is not that, he was (and hopefully can be again for us and not Real) a world class attacking right back.


Only guy I see TAA displacing at Real is Carvajal as he is 32 or 33 now with very little left on his contract, in fact his contract runs out the same month as TAA's.



Actually looking at the team that is coming together at Real, they would be a frightening team if they had a manager like Klopp there instead of Ancelotti.



Hell they even have a not so mini Zidane working his way through their u 21 ranks

[Irishnev]

Actually looking at the team that is coming together at Real, they would be a frightening team if they had a manager like Klopp there instead of Ancelotti.

Really Jaco….. serial winner Carlo vs underachieving Klopp? I love Klopp but he has said he values relationships more than trophies. He’d have been fired from Real long ago

[Doc_Piptorious]

Really Jaco….. serial winner Carlo vs underachieving Klopp? I love Klopp but he has said he values relationships more than trophies. He’d have been fired from Real long ago

Am looking at the players Real currently have and how a large number of them look perfect for a Klopp team in terms pof skill sets, physicality etc rather than comparing Klopp vs Ancelotti over the courses of their entire careers.


But if you want to compare them over the course of their careers Klopp does not compare badly at all when one considers Ancelotti has tended to manage the richest team in the league most of the time.



Milan 20 or so years ago


Chelsea 14 or 15 years ago.

PSG


Bayern Munich


Real Madrid.


Be shocking if he was not picking up trophies with those teams at the times he was managing them

[spud_gun]

You missed Everton off that list

I imagine Carlo treats his Everton tenure as some sort of fever dream