Trent Alexander-Arnold

[Doc_Piptorious]

Kroos is gone and Modric will prob go next year, Bellingham, Tchouameni, Camavinga and Valverde are not “creative” per se, Trent could fill that gap

Nah not having that. Bellingham and Tchoo are very much creative players albeit in different ways. Bellingham being a goal/assist getter and creator and Tchoo Tchoo very much being a deep playmaker that knits a hell of a lot of their build ups from deep together.

Valverde and Camavinga are guys that through sheer physical effort and great positioning will add greatly to both the attacking and defensive side of things.

You swap TAA in for any of those guys and you weaken the Real midfield straight away as they will lose the physicality and movement of whichever one is dropped along with the individual qualities of that player.

Whichever midfielders at Real are not in the furtherest forward role are expected to be very effiecient passers that go season after season racking up passing accuracy in around the 90% mark regardless of whether they are being pressed or not, that's why the feckers are often machinelike in the middle. TAA is not a guy that will get you that as it is simply not part of his game and not part of what has made him shine.


Even this season look at the starters at Real in the middle for teh season so far.

Bellingham has a pass accuracy of 88%
Tchoo has 91%
Valverde has 90%

Those numbers will not drop off to any great degree over the course of an entire season.


Last season their young four ended with season totals of


Bellingham 88%
Tchoo Tchoo 90%
Valverde 89.8%
Camavinga 90%

All elite at not losing the ball


TAA has never had a season where he has managed better than 75% and before we go down the route of "oh but he makes more high risk passes", so does Bellingham and Valverde as the former is often used as an AM or even as a false 9 and the latter is often used as a wide man.


TAA at his best is a world class attacking right back with few peers, he has never shown himself to be a top tier midfielder and if dropping him into the Real midfield becomes something the remaining midfielders then have to make up the short fall for, you just get a situation like when we try to force TAA to fit into our midfield.


For me if I wanted TAA to be at his most effective, then he goes in at RB and does not invert much so that he avoids getting camped in parts of the pitch where he would have to play on the turn and where he would have less time to pick those wonderful ranged passes.


Problem for him, imo of course, is Real do not do that with their full backs and to do so would throw off their tried and tested central structure, a structure that in recent times remains even when managers do not.

So if TAA wanted to be at a club that uses a full back or wing back to be a big part of the build up play, his options at the highest level would probably come down to Leverkusen, PSG, Bayern Munich (though their best guy is off next summer) and some team in red that play not far from the river Mersey

[Irishnev]

Nah not having that. Bellingham and Tchoo are very much creative players albeit in different ways. Bellingham being a goal/assist getter and creator and Tchoo Tchoo very much being a deep playmaker that knits a hell of a lot of their build ups from deep together.

Valverde and Camavinga are guys that through sheer physical effort and great positioning will add greatly to both the attacking and defensive side of things.

You swap TAA in for any of those guys and you weaken the Real midfield straight away as they will lose the physicality and movement of whichever one is dropped along with the individual qualities of that player.

Whichever midfielders at Real are not in the furtherest forward role are expected to be very effiecient passers that go season after season racking up passing accuracy in around the 90% mark regardless of whether they are being pressed or not, that's why the feckers are often machinelike in the middle. TAA is not a guy that will get you that as it is simply not part of his game and not part of what has made him shine.


Even this season look at the starters at Real in the middle for teh season so far.

Bellingham has a pass accuracy of 88%
Tchoo has 91%
Valverde has 90%

Those numbers will not drop off to any great degree over the course of an entire season.


Last season their young four ended with season totals of


Bellingham 88%
Tchoo Tchoo 90%
Valverde 89.8%
Camavinga 90%

All elite at not losing the ball


TAA has never had a season where he has managed better than 75% and before we go down the route of "oh but he makes more high risk passes", so does Bellingham and Valverde as the former is often used as an AM or even as a false 9 and the latter is often used as a wide man.


TAA at his best is a world class attacking right back with few peers, he has never shown himself to be a top tier midfielder and if dropping him into the Real midfield becomes something the remaining midfielders then have to make up the short fall for, you just get a situation like when we try to force TAA to fit into our midfield.


For me if I wanted TAA to be at his most effective, then he goes in at RB and does not invert much so that he avoids getting camped in parts of the pitch where he would have to play on the turn and where he would have less time to pick those wonderful ranged passes.


Problem for him, imo of course, is Real do not do that with their full backs and to do so would throw off their tried and tested central structure, a structure that in recent times remains even when managers do not.

So if TAA wanted to be at a club that uses a full back or wing back to be a big part of the build up play, his options at the highest level would probably come down to Leverkusen, PSG, Bayern Munich (though their best guy is off next summer) and some team in red that play not far from the river Mersey

I can’t answer that appropriately

As I said, I’ll probably look like a mug (as I’ve often done) but it’s just my opinion

[Doc_Piptorious]

I can’t answer that appropriately

As I said, I’ll probably look like a mug (as I’ve often done) but it’s just my opinion

How dare you come in here with an honest opinion and a wish to express it.



Every point made on here is a fight to the death.



This is EST



THIS. IS. FOOT-BALL.

[S-RED]

Oh Joy

Dani Carvajal out till next season at least, let the increased speculation begin.....

https://www.managingmadrid.com/2024/10/6/24263347/carvajal-real-madrid-2024-injury-report

[Doc_Piptorious]

Oh Joy

Dani Carvajal out till next season at least, let the increased speculation begin.....


https://www.managingmadrid.com/2024/...-injury-report

Changes nothing really with regards to TAA.

Carvajal's contract runs out at the end of this season whether he is injured or not so the timeframe remains the same as I reckon there is zero chance of Real paying a big fee for TAA (if he wants to move to Madrid) when they can just wait six months and pay no transfer fee.


Plus from TAA's pov, again if he wants the move, moving for a transfer fee in January would mean getting less of a signing on fee than if he went on a free in the summer.

So we are in the same situation right now orf not knowing whther he wants to stay or whether he wants to see his contract out. All the power is with the player.

[S-RED]

I wasn't thinking of a Jan transfer, more that its easy for the redtops to pick on this & ramp up the speculation.

You are right nothing changes & if he wants Madrid, then he will go on a free in July

[Kenneth]

I’m really beyond caring. I just hope we get VVD signed up asap, the other two are more easily replaced.

[The_weatherman]

I’m really beyond caring. I just hope we get VVD signed up asap, the other two are more easily replaced.

Me too, VVD first, the other two might have to go elsewhere to get their salary requests.

[Norbs]

We've had the best of Trent, he was played so much as a teenager, and the Klopp intensity, that I don't think he's career will stretch that far

[Cerbie]

The Trent interview ahead of the England game didn’t sound great from a club perspective. Talking about starting the 2nd half of his career…. I’ll be surprised if we keep him.

[Kenneth]

Maybe we’ll bring someone in in January. A solid defensive right back could be just what we need.

[DerKrampus]

The best thing we can do (assuming he is leaving) is to make it as normal as possible. Find a replacement, ease them in, then announce Trent is leaving toward the end of the season.

[calvoboy]

I don't get any of this conversation. He's one of our best players. A generational talent who came through the ranks. He's a local lad and our vice captain. He's 26. We need to convince him to stay. Not at all costs, but you don't let players like this go for nothing.

[S-RED]

At the end of the day, he may want to try something new & the club have probably been aware of this for a while (1-2 seasons).

I am sure they dont want him to leave, especially on a free, but they have no skin in this game if Trent has decided to leave at the end of his contract. In reality there is nothing they can do other than offer him crazy, crazy money & even then maybe he just wants to try something different. Lets face it if he never kicked a ball again he wouldn't struggle financially, so probably the financial side is of less importance (unless you are his agent).

[Harv]

Maybe we’ll bring someone in in January. A solid defensive right back could be just what we need.

That Joe Gomez guy goes ok as a defensive RB