Andy Carroll - Best Striker in the World

[danperkins]

Yes i remember hearing your lone voice singing 'We love you Konchesky, we do'

and i dont buy that the Liverbird is all that matters, So you were fully behind <insertrubbishplayerhere> becuase there has been loads over the last twenty years that should never have been wearing the red shirt to start with.

I am all for giving any player a chanc and i still support him but just like many others before him its hard not to have a groan when the most simplest of tasks are beyond him.

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Posted By Craig_H
Oh brilliant Konchesky. Just brilliant. You...

Oh brilliant Konchesky. Just brilliant. You useless piece of ****.

[Kenneth]

Yes i remember hearing your lone voice singing 'We love you Konchesky, we do'

and i dont buy that the Liverbird is all that matters, So you were fully behind <insertrubbishplayerhere> becuase there has been loads over the last twenty years that should never have been wearing the red shirt to start with.

I am all for giving any player a chanc and i still support him but just like many others before him its hard not to have a groan when the most simplest of tasks are beyond him.

Yes, quite. Big supporter of Poulsen in a red shirt too I recall.

[kris90210]

Thats just the thing Carroll was pretty much injured the first 6 months

We''ve so far judged him on the equivalent of 13 games

I understand the concerns that people express about Carroll but I do feel that in addition to his own deficiencies there is also an element of not giving him the sort of service to improve his game

The problem for me now is that many people have already decided hes done and nothing will change that. For me his game has gradually improved but its at such a slow rate and I think its at too slow a rate when really nothing short of an instant and immediate jump from where he is now to and Alan Shearer type player will turn the tide of opinion amongst fans

Oh and Voronin was hated by his teammates and not on a personal level (purely on a professional or unprofessional level)

For some reason despite his form Carroll is pretty well liked by his teammates from what I hear (and not just amongst the English lads)

I think he's got worse if anything.

[danperkins]

Yes, quite. Big supporter of Poulsen in a red shirt too I recall.

[Craig_H]

Yes, quite. Big supporter of Poulsen in a red shirt too I recall.

Didnt realise that donkey who sat next to me last season was you.

[red g]

I supported every player wearing a Liverpool shirt at every game i attended, yes. Why wouldnt i?

hmmm your changing the goalposts here.

We are talking about supporting him on an internet forum, not real life

And as Dan pointed out, you dont always support them here........

So why i Carroll diffrent, i recon you made your mind up on the Konch, jones. poulsen et al pretty damn quick.

FWIW worth I always support the player when i go to the game but i reserve the right to be openly critical when on a discussion forum.

[Craig_H]

My view on the reaction to a player is relative to how that reaction will impact on the player - i dont think getting on Carroll's back will help him, it'll be counter productive.

Of course you can be openly critical on a forum, but i'd draw the line at the personal & vitriolic stuff myself.

With respect, i have no idea what dan 'pointed out' and am not altogether bothered.

[danperkins]

jaysis that hole Craigs diggging gets deeper and deeper

[Lecter]

I'd imagine Keane's main gripe was not getting the game time he wanted. I was of the opinion the Keane even though he wasn't great at LFC, was a bit of a pawn in the war between Rafa v Parry. BTW i know you were big Rafa fan and by no means am i trying to fan any flames about that age old argument

You were surprised, but in all honesty did you think it was the right decision?

Anyways the reason i mention it is because so many were delighted when Keane went even though he had 7 goals in 20 games & Carroll this season alone has 4 in 25 as the stats show.

Just saying this as I remember recently seeing one of you're posts talking about Rafa's mistakes and you mentioned Keane and Babel i think. You seemed happy enough so hence why i would ask you did you think it was the right decision to sell after 6 months as when you're still defending Carroll after 12?

Keane was apparently a ****ing pain in the arse it was about more than just game time

The Keane transfer had so many flaws on so many levels, Rafa blamed Parry, Parry blamed Rafa, Keane blamed Rafa etc..

Managers ultimately take the rap for transfers

I cant remember what I actually thought, looking back in hindsight with what I've heard its easy to say it was the right decision. At the time I was surprised - thats all I can remember

[danperkins]

Personally i think Carroll should get a mohawk, worked for Meireles!! Or did it......

[Lecter]

I think he's got worse if anything.

I'll gladly agree to disagree on this

[danperkins]

Keane was apparently a ****ing pain in the arse it was about more than just game time

The Keane transfer had so many flaws on so many levels, Rafa blamed Parry, Parry blamed Rafa, Keane blamed Rafa etc..

Managers ultimately take the rap for transfers

I cant remember what I actually thought, looking back in hindsight with what I've heard its easy to say it was the right decision. At the time I was surprised - thats all I can remember

All speculation

I was talking to relation of his recently about it, she works in place i'm contracted. He was treated unfairly, but in truth was also not very good. From what i've heard that's fairly accurate and honest.

And i agree managers ultimately take the rap alright, although selling a striker after 6 months when you're short on strikers isn't a bright idea andis asking for trouble.

Anyways IMO Carroll should get until the end of the season, for me 18 months is long enough. He'll get my 100% support but if he has a ****e game, i have no problem in saying he had a ****e game

[Lecter]

All speculation

I was talking to relation of his recently about it, she works in place i'm contracted. He was treated unfairly, but in truth was also not very good. From what i've heard that's fairly accurate and honest.

And i agree managers ultimately take the rap alright, although selling a striker after 6 months when you're short on strikers isn't a bright idea andis asking for trouble.

Anyways IMO Carroll should get until the end of the season, for me 18 months is long enough. He'll get my 100% support but if he has a ****e game, i have no problem in saying he had a ****e game

I knew you'd take offence at the Keane dig with your nationality and all that

Keane was on Goals On Sunday the other week and admitted to "arguments with Rafa over game time, selection, tactics, amongst other things"

Even went so far as to suggest he stopped giving a **** what the manager thought

So I think its more than just idle speculation

[danperkins]

I knew you'd take offence at the Keane dig with your nationality and all that

Keane was on Goals On Sunday the other week and admitted to "arguments with Rafa over game time, selection, tactics, amongst other things"

Even went so far as to suggest he stopped giving a **** what the manager thought

So I think its more than just idle speculation

i knew you'd mention that. You're way way off the mark jaysis i remember that nationality card with Keane was flavour of the month!!! Keane is a run of the mill player never better than decent, his best asset is being able to make lots and lots of money, so let's not pull that nationality card as it's completely untrue

I was told by close relation, that even though he was dissapointed with his form at LFC,he was treated like ****e by Rafa. I thought both of these things before i was even told that info. That ain't idle speculation that personal info. But sure we all know someone blah,blah.. distant memory anyways.

Now back to another misfiring striker Andy Carroll

[Lecter]

i knew you'd mention that. You're way way off the mark jaysis i remember that nationality card with Keane was flavour of the month!!! Keane is a run of the mill player never better than decent, his best asset is being able to make lots and lots of money, so let's not pull that nationality card as it's completely untrue

I was told by close relation, that even though he was dissapointed with his form at LFC,he was treated like ****e by Rafa. I thought both of these things before i was even told that info. That ain't idle speculation that personal info. But sure we all know someone blah,blah.. distant memory anyways.

Now back to another misfiring striker Andy Carroll

I'll drop you a pm about Keane