Apparently, we're helping United get Tevez...

[Craig_H]

You dont even know who your talking about. So i'm not sure I can take you at your word. It's not the story you told me or anyone else at the time either. If i thought you could recall the incident it would give some credance to your 'story'. You've not corrected anything, you simply deny it without knowing what incident your talking about! I gave you an oportunity to support your denial....i'm not appologising simply because you say it wasn't you.

This is all a big tangent to the point of posting bollocks and paraphrasing misinterpretations to score points which you've only gone and repeated in your last few posts. Which only makes my point for me!

I wasn't trying to help you, contrary to KT like perception this site doesn't revolve around 1 fat **** and his cronies. I was trying to get the thread back on track, but if your determined to cary on this KT like path of conversational tactics then i'll help you ruin the thread no problems!

My only image of you is in how you've conducted yourself right here in this thread. Without any UberDaddy to tell you what to do or stupid EULA's to uphold, only your own concience. And that's told its own story!

You were posting under the same username as you are here, and were banned. Then, you say you came back - from this point, i dont know what new username you had. But i know who you are/were when you were banned and i know who banned you. I dont need to make anything up where that's concerned.

As for your point on what i do with regards to twisting words, i answered that. You seem to have ignored my response. So no, your 'point' doesnt seem to have been made at all, in actual fact.

Whatever you try and turn it into, the point is you come on here attacking me and unless i happily sit there and nod along, you revert back to the usual nonsense. You accused me of banning you and i didnt. I have the right to defend myself and correct your mistake, and dont get me wrong, it's to be expected that you dont like the fact that i did that. Nobody likes being wrong.

[Craig_H]

Anyway in the real world I think Tevez is an excellent player and it is annoying that Manure may indeed sign him. There is no point comparing Voronin to Tevez. Tevez will improve Manure because it will give them strength in depth. Simple really.

[Shaggy]

Anyway in the real world I think Tevez is an excellent player and it is annoying that Manure may indeed sign him. There is no point comparing Voronin to Tevez. Tevez will improve Manure because it will give them strength in depth. Simple really.

Yeah, I agree with that much.

But it'll be interesting to see how they plan to utilise Rooney and Tevez in the same team. If he pairs them up, it won't work. It really won't. Both drop off the front and get involved in the build-up. They both operate in the same areas and neither are 'lead the line' types.

Argentina demonstrated in the Copa America final that you can just shoe-horn your best two attackers together and hope for the best. You can't play two 'second strikers' as a pair. It doesn't work, and it backfired on Argentina big time.

It'd be like Beardsley and Dalglish playing together. Both great players, but as a pair they clearly wouldn't work - hypothetically speaking, of course.

[Craig_H]

I'm not sure why people think Tevez is incapable of playing 'up top' and doing so well. He's easily capable of doing that and i wouldnt be surprised to see him used that way if the mancs get him.

[Shaggy]

I'm not sure why people think Tevez is incapable of playing 'up top' and doing so well. He's easily capable of doing that and i wouldnt be surprised to see him used that way if the mancs get him.

When has he ever been deployed, consistently, right up top? He was supposed to do that role on Sunday (he effectively replaced Crespo/Diego Milito) but he was utterly hopeless. When he was on the last man's shoulder he did nothing, but most of the time he went looking for the ball - cos that's the sort of player he is. He and Messi got in each other's way.

He's undoubtedly a tremendous player but Rooney and Tevez as a pair will *not* work. I'm convinced of it. Not because of any red-tinted specs or my complete loathing for those *******s - I just don't think they'll work and I haven't seen any evidence to suggest I'll be wrong.

[Craig_H]

I think that if you take two top top players, and have a coach who knows what he's doing, it can be done. IMO, they're both too good NOT to work.

The Argentina example is a bit different for me as with international football, you're not training together continuously and it makes it difficult to get it right when the squad only comes together on an irregular basis. What's more, the Copa America final was a bit of a one-off, it's not something he's had much experience of doing. If he was used that way all the time, it'd come.

[tomasjj]

I think both Tevez and Rooney could lead the line.
I see suggestions that they won't on here, but I don't agree.
Tevez can be used when you need pace to spearhead. Rooney when you need more power.

[Shaggy]

I think that if you take two top top players, and have a coach who knows what he's doing, it can be done. IMO, they're both too good NOT to work.

The Argentina example is a bit different for me as with international football, you're not training together continuously and it makes it difficult to get it right when the squad only comes together on an irregular basis. What's more, the Copa America final was a bit of a one-off, it's not something he's had much experience of doing. If he was used that way all the time, it'd come.

It doesn't work like that though. There's been loads of examples of this "they're too good not to work as a partnership" being wide of the mark. Owen & Fowler, Gerrard & Lampard ...off the top of my head.

I think both Tevez and Rooney could lead the line.
I see suggestions that they won't on here, but I don't agree.
Tevez can be used when you need pace to spearhead. Rooney when you need more power.

We'll have to wait and see but I very much disagree, obviously. It's all well and good just saying "Tevez can be used when you need pace to spearhead", but it's much easier said than done. Tevez isn't an out and out striker. It's not in his nature to stay up top and look to get on the end of things. He comes deep, gets on the ball, runs at people, slides people in.

Just like Rooney does.

One or the other "could fill a role" as the main striker but in doing so they'd lose a big chunk of their effectiveness - because they wouldn't be able to do what they're best at.

We'll see how it pans out - it'll be interesting. In this instance, I hope you and Syd are both proven horribly wrong.

[Craig_H]

It doesn't work like that though. There's been loads of examples of this "they're too good not to work as a partnership" being wrong. Owen & Fowler, Gerrard & Lampard ...off the top of my head.

Owen and Fowler, Gerrard and Lampard....with the correct manager, both combos could/can work.

[Shaggy]

Owen and Fowler, Gerrard and Lampard....with the correct manager, both combos could/can work.

"...could"

Ifs and buts mate.

Owen & Fowler didn't work, despite being two brilliant strikers, and Gerrard & Lampard doesn't work/hasn't worked, despite being the top two English central midfielders in the league.

[Craig_H]

"...could"

Ifs and buts mate.

Owen & Fowler didn't work, despite being two brilliant strikers, and Gerrard & Lampard doesn't work/hasn't worked, despite being the top two English central midfielders in the league.

Yes, and once again...Owen and Fowler had HOULLIER as their manager, hardly someone known for his fondness of attacking football. And Lampard/Gerrard have had dumb and dumber as their international managers...

Obviously two 'similarly' styled players presents a challenge because it requires a bit of thought and tactical nous....but it doesnt just NOT work, if you have someone clever enough to know how to deal with it, it'd work.

[dww]

"...could"

Ifs and buts mate.

Owen & Fowler didn't work, despite being two brilliant strikers, and Gerrard & Lampard doesn't work/hasn't worked, despite being the top two English central midfielders in the league.

I think the partnership was unfairly maligned actually. They seemed to oscillate wildly between sublime and awful but the pairing never seemed to get a long enough run in my eyes. I tried to back this up with some sort of scoring stats but all I could find was this match report: link.

[note: I couldn't find any relevant stats, not that I could but they didn't fit my argumnet]

[Shaggy]

Yes, and once again...Owen and Fowler had HOULLIER as their manager, hardly someone known for his fondness of attacking football. And Lampard/Gerrard have had dumb and dumber as their international managers...

Obviously two 'similarly' styled players presents a challenge because it requires a bit of thought and tactical nous....but it doesnt just NOT work, if you have someone clever enough to know how to deal with it, it'd work.

Well that remains to be seen.

Can anyone think of an example when two very similar players have been successfully paired together (either up front or in central midfield)?

I don't think it works, you think it could. No-one's right or wrong.

Yet.

And I'm sure you'll be hoping I'm proved right?

[Shaggy]

I think the partnership was unfairly maligned actually. They seemed to oscillate wildly between sublime and awful but the pairing never seemed to get a long enough run in my eyes. I tried to back this up with some sort of scoring stats but all I could find was this match report: link.

[note: I couldn't find any relevant stats, not that I could but they didn't fit my argumnet]

That was the exact game I thought it would be. Certainly it's the only time I vividly remember them being brilliant together. They obviously had their moments but on the whole it patently didn't work.

[Craig_H]

Well that remains to be seen.

Can anyone think of an example when two very similar players have been successfully paired together (either up front or in central midfield)?

I don't think it works, you think it could. No-one's right or wrong.

Yet.

And I'm sure you'll be hoping I'm proved right?

Trying to remember whether Rush and Aldridge played together much...