Liverpool vs Marseille - post match reaction

[Joe King]

****s sake, even I knew he was messing!

Calm down people! I'm the only mod in here so be nice!

Thank you, I've already apologised

[Morph]

historically, its 10/12 points to go through.

Marseille need one more win and a draw to top the group. Porto, 2 wins and they're through. I really think we're out.

three wins from besiktas x 2 and one of porto home or marseille away is do-able

[breffniboy]

There's alot of emerging themes throughout this thread. Most worrying and most accurate IMO are the comparisons between Rafa and Houllier.

I've been saying this for a long time but both are fundamentally negative managers who think you can win games by trying not to lose them. It's not a coincidence that we're so miserly in defence whilst at the same time looking blunt and lumpen when trying to attack. Any half decent well organised team can set out their stall against us and keep us to 0-0 all too easily, the last few weeks have shown that. And the same teams that frustrate us so easily will have their arses handed to them when they play scum at OT or Arsenal at Emirates.

Think about that for a minute. Because that's the difference between us and being a real contender that plays genuine football to impose themselves against weaker opponents (instead of worrying about keeping them scoreless). There's simply no reason to have any confidence in us as an out and out footballing team - our best bet under Rafa has always been and always will be smothering the other team and then hopefully - hopefully -squeezing a goal out of somewhere.

Tonight's result has been on the cards a long time, in fact, since Pako left. Whatever he brought he has definitely brought it with him when he left and on Irish TV, pundit opinion tonight was that all doesn't seem well in the 'Pool dressing room. I'm definitely very worried. Rafa's scientific, forensic and negative approach to football was obviously counterbalanced by Pako to some degree and it's everthing seems even staler and more uninspired since he left.

It's a great rabble rouser to think we'll "do Spurs over" at the weekend but why should we? We've been cack for weeks, I see no reason to believe we won't be cack next weekend. Rafa won't change.

Too many echoes of GH in our tactics and performances and the way we seem to have bottomed out at precisely the time we expected to kick on.

Rafa cried long enough about not having money and frankly what he has done since getting it has been shocking. The football we play is an insult to the traditions of the club and what kills me most is that the trophies we've won while playing this way have blinded us to that and made us ignore the horrible football that have somehow produced a few successes along the way.

Call me knee-jerk, whatever, but this has been coming and it looks already that this season's hopes are under a stay of execution. If we continue to play like this, and I see no reason to believe Rafa can somehow flick a switch from the boring, negative, lumpen stuff he loves, like GH, then this season and all our great hopes could be ****ed already.

[CharlieMansonsSquint]

That has to do with someones post and it was all in light heart, sorry if anyone has thought anywise

That response had to do with my hatred of all things Ged.

It's defence mechanism.

I wouldn't have survived 2002 to 2004 without it.

[Joe King]

Look dickhead, I had to explain to you the other week that kenny dalglish was nicknamed "the king". Tonight your waffling summat about djimi, when I can only presume you mean djibril

You may be a nice but dim kinda lad, but when the bullets are flying between TRUE reds, shut the **** up eh

:whatever:

[desertscouser]

We played worse than that when we got gubbed by Southampton at St Mary's a couple of years ago.

I was there. That was bad but imo this was worse.

[carheex]

We're missing Alonso. Mascherano should have played. Marseille deserved the win.

Definitely - adding an out of form player into an out of form team is really going to work wonders. No offence.

Agree about the Mascherano bit though. Benitez seems a bit reluctant to play him too much for some reason. At the end of the day, with the players available, we would all have chosen more or less that same team so any criticism at Rafa is a bit unjust. There's no real solution - we're just having a bit of a dip in form at the moment - it happens to all teams regardless. We're still unbeaten in the league despite some very dodgy performances. I'm still more optimistic for the league than previously as we have shown that we can win games whilst still playing badly.

[Joe King]

That response had to do with my hatred of all things Ged.

It's defence mechanism.

I wouldn't have survived 2002 to 2004 without it.

I hated him for what he did to the side as well. As I said, it was to do with someone's post and I apologise if I've offended

[Kaip]

**** Off WUM. :whatever:

Stop being a silly boy

[desertscouser]

That response had to do with my hatred of all things Ged.

It's defence mechanism.

I wouldn't have survived 2002 to 2004 without it.

Those were dark dark days.

[Red_hot]

There's alot of emerging themes throughout this thread. Most worrying and most accurate IMO are the comparisons between Rafa and Houllier.

I've been saying this for a long time but both are fundamentally negative managers who think you can win games by trying not to lose them. It's not a coincidence that we're so miserly in defence whilst at the same time looking blunt and lumpen when trying to attack. Any half decent well organised team can set out their stall against us and keep us to 0-0 all too easily, the last few weeks have shown that. And the same teams that frustrate us so easily will have their arses handed to them when they play scum at OT or Arsenal at Emirates.

Think about that for a minute. Because that's the difference between us and being a real contender that plays genuine football to impose themselves against weaker opponents (instead of worrying about keeping them scoreless). There's simply no reason to have any confidence in us as an out and out footballing team - our best bet under Rafa has always been and always will be smothering the other team and then hopefully - hopefully -squeezing a goal out of somewhere.

Tonight's result has been on the cards a long time, in fact, since Pako left. Whatever he brought he has definitely brought it with him when he left and on Irish TV, pundit opinion tonight was that all doesn't seem well in the 'Pool dressing room. I'm definitely very worried. Rafa's scientific, forensic and negative approach to football was obviously counterbalanced by Pako to some degree and it's everthing seems even staler and more uninspired since he left.

It's a great rabble rouser to think we'll "do Spurs over" at the weekend but why should we? We've been cack for weeks, I see no reason to believe we won't be cack next weekend. Rafa won't change.

Too many echoes of GH in our tactics and performances and the way we seem to have bottomed out at precisely the time we expected to kick on.

Rafa cried long enough about not having money and frankly what he has done since getting it has been shocking. The football we play is an insult to the traditions of the club and what kills me most is that the trophies we've won while playing this way have blinded us to that and made us ignore the horrible football that have somehow produced a few successes along the way.

Call me knee-jerk, whatever, but this has been coming and it looks already that this season's hopes are under a stay of execution. If we continue to play like this, and I see no reason to believe Rafa can somehow flick a switch from the boring, negative, lumpen stuff he loves, like GH, then this season and all our great hopes could be ****ed already.

Jesus. Lets all go kill ourselves now.

[paulcooper4]

:whatever:

****e response

[Red Chilli]

There's alot of emerging themes throughout this thread. Most worrying and most accurate IMO are the comparisons between Rafa and Houllier.

Seriously? I don't see it at all.

Houllier always went on about how we were the most attacking team in the league even though it was clear we weren't. Houllier wouldn't drop **** players, Rafa drops good players never mind **** players

Only similarity I can see is that of playing players out of position, but even that is tenuous.

[Kopite_Colin]

That response had to do with my hatred of all things Ged.

It's defence mechanism.

I wouldn't have survived 2002 to 2004 without it.

I love you Charlie - you make me seem sane!

[Joe King]

****e response

Yeah in comparison with your rants and effing and blinding, my response is childs play