Rejuvenated Kewell in line for new contract

[Craig_H]

Do you fancy a shot at managing a football club ?

You really dont need to be managing a football club to state the obvious.

Although i do suspect that in some cases around here, a guide dog wouldnt go amiss.

[Skillz]

Some real nonsense here.

He doesnt have the potential to be as valuable as Gerrard or torres, that's utter tripe.

His value is totally different to the likes of finnan - finnan is 100% consistent, reliable and hardly ever injured. The opposite of harry. Not that it's kewell's fault, but you base each case on it's own individual merit and the harry kewell of today is not a safe long-term or expensive investment. Fact. So you structure any new deal accordingly. His last contract was based on the quick dynamic winger we signed from Leeds. He isnt that anymore and his new deal (if he gets one) should (and will) reflect that.

I suspect that is in response to my 100k comment earlier so I should explain myself better.

What I meant by that is that had he not had his injuries and had been playing to the level he was at Leeds or even his first 4-5 months with us he would already have a new contract. Considering the dearth of quality LW players around I would suggest in that scenario he would be earning close to 100k/week (certainly 80k/wk +).

However that is not the reality and although a low base wage with high incentives would seem the way to go I realistically think we will need to offer a 2 yr deal for something like 40k/wk and have some incentives in place that he could earn the equivalent of 60-70k/wk if he has a strong season.

If he accepted that I would be happy because if he continues this form I have no doubt there will probably be longer and more lucrative contracts on the table.

Having said all that I am making myself nervous with all this contract talk. Lets just watch him play and let Parry sort it..........

[Craig_H]

[QUOTE=Michael;819883]

He doesnt have the potential to be as valuable as Gerrard or torres, that's utter tripe.
QUOTE]

I doubt the manager shares your view!


Anyway, his fit market value at the end of the season will be about £3-4m ish so you really think that we will be able to secure his services for about £1m a year over say a 2 year period? Thats a £2m profit.... come on, get real!

I'll talk money again, although we shouldn’t, 40-50k a week, 1 year with a 1 year extension.

Thats a fair market value!

No, his fit market value at the end of the season will be precisely zero.

You clearly have no idea of what 'market value' is.

[Michael]

Some real nonsense here.

He doesnt have the potential to be as valuable as Gerrard or torres, that's utter tripe.

His value is totally different to the likes of finnan - finnan is 100% consistent, reliable and hardly ever injured. The opposite of harry. Not that it's kewell's fault, but you base each case on it's own individual merit and the harry kewell of today is not a safe long-term or expensive investment. Fact. So you structure any new deal accordingly. His last contract was based on the quick dynamic winger we signed from Leeds. He isnt that anymore and his new deal (if he gets one) should (and will) reflect that.

Also, you cant say to him, take this **** new deal, your always injured anyway......

He'd rightly turn around and tell you to f-off... why should I play for the fans that love me when I play, but abuse me and my wife in the club carpark when i've snapped my groin in half!

He'd have a point as well!

[Craig_H]

I suspect that is in response to my 100k comment earlier so I should explain myself better.

What I meant by that is that had he not had his injuries and had been playing to the level he was at Leeds or even his first 4-5 months with us he would already have a new contract. Considering the dearth of quality LW players around I would suggest in that scenario he would be earning close to 100k/week (certainly 80k/wk +).

However that is not the reality and although a low base wage with high incentives would seem the way to go I realistically think we will need to offer a 2 yr deal for something like 40k/wk and have some incentives in place that he could earn the equivalent of 60-70k/wk if he has a strong season.

If he accepted that I would be happy because if he continues this form I have no doubt there will probably be longer and more lucrative contracts on the table.

Having said all that I am maling myself nervous with all this contract talk. Lets just watch him play and let Parry sort it..........

My comment was actually to michael (i think it was) who claimed he had the ability to be as valuable as Torres and Gerrard...which is laughable. They're two regularly consistent world class performers. He's someone who plays about 5 games a season, and little more. Not his fault, i again emphasise.

But it's not about fault, it's about what he's worth to us.

And £40k on a one year deal is the highest i'd go, until he proved his long term fitness. It'd be idiocy to offer him anything longer term than that, until he's proven some long term level of fitness.

[Michael]

[QUOTE=DJS;819886]

No, his fit market value at the end of the season will be precisely zero.

You clearly have no idea of what 'market value' is.

lol .. come on mate, your trying to get to me and it isnt going to work!

A fit, 29 year old Kewell is woth Zero to the likes of West Ham, Man City, Newcastle, Spurs!

Sure!

[Craig_H]

Also, you cant say to him, take this **** new deal, your always injured anyway......

He'd rightly turn around and tell you to f-off... why should I play for the fans that love me when I play, but abuse me and my wife in the club carpark when i've snapped my groin in half!

He'd have a point as well!

I couldnt care less if he walked away, he's worth a certain amount and no more.

[Craig_H]

lol .. come on mate, your trying to get to me and it isnt going to work!

A fit, 29 year old Kewell is woth Zero to the likes of West Ham, Man City, Newcastle, Spurs!

Sure!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosman_ruling

[Michael]

we will need to offer a 2 yr deal for something like 40k/wk and have some incentives in place that he could earn the equivalent of 60-70k/wk if he has a strong season.

SPOT ON BUDDIE!

[Craig_H]

I suspect that is in response to my 100k comment earlier so I should explain myself better.

What I meant by that is that had he not had his injuries and had been playing to the level he was at Leeds or even his first 4-5 months with us he would already have a new contract. Considering the dearth of quality LW players around I would suggest in that scenario he would be earning close to 100k/week (certainly 80k/wk +).

However that is not the reality and although a low base wage with high incentives would seem the way to go I realistically think we will need to offer a 2 yr deal for something like 40k/wk and have some incentives in place that he could earn the equivalent of 60-70k/wk if he has a strong season.

If he accepted that I would be happy because if he continues this form I have no doubt there will probably be longer and more lucrative contracts on the table.

Having said all that I am making myself nervous with all this contract talk. Lets just watch him play and let Parry sort it..........

Why a two year deal?

[Guest]

You really dont need to be managing a football club to state the obvious.

Although i do suspect that in some cases around here, a guide dog wouldnt go amiss.

That's obvious to you and your ego and the way you phrase your posts. You're no better than the way AFII makes fact out of tribal quotes.

I rest my case.

[Craig_H]

That's obvious to you and your ego and the way you phrase your posts. You're no better than they way AFII makes fact out of tribal quotes.

I rest my case.

Remind me not to hire you if i'm ever in court....

[Skillz]

Well I think we are all going around in circles here and we all actually have similar ideas of what he should be offered.

Personally what we are prepared to offer will be largely dependant on what our medical team feel is his chances of remaining fit for a length of time. In other words how successful his rehabilitation has been. If they feel he has truly got over his injuries and the surgeons anticipate full recovery etc will make a world of difference on how much risk we are prepared to take IMO.

[Guest]

Remind me not to hire you if i'm ever in court....

Just to clarify. I'm no lawyer. FACT.

[Craig_H]

Well I think we are all going around in circles here and we all actually have similar ideas of what he should be offered.

Personally what we are prepared to offer will be largely dependant on what our medical team feel is his chances of remaining fit for a length of time. In other words how successful his rehabilitation has been. If they feel he has truly got over his injuries and the surgeons anticipate full recovery etc will make a world of difference on how much risk we are prepared to take IMO.

But even then, why not a one year deal, with the option of another year's extension?

Why commit to two years straight off the cuff? Makes no sense.