No melodrama: we've lost our club

[Gray]

It's all about what makes financial sense.

There was no sense in letting Owen and Maccas deals run down - we lost millions. But it makes financial sense to wait until the summer with JM. At the end of the day, Mascher and his agents agreed the deal, as did we. There can be no complaints that he has to see out the rest of the deal.

If we have the cash in January, then why not complete the deal. But if the cash is better served elsewhere, then wait until the summer. Obviously Mascher wants his long term future sorted, just like everyone else, but a contract is a contract.

At the end of the day, it gets dark.

[DannyMan2006]

At the end of the day, it gets dark.

That depends where you are in the world. A contract doesn't depend on anything.

[red g]

I concurr. Dww's post has to be the best on this thread.

[red g]

surely masher should be bought for 17million, if we are that skint we can sell him on for 25million next year

[Darth Marty]

The only reason I would accept for not signing Mascher is if Rafa came out and said "no, Mascher isnt for me, thank you and good luck elsewhere". Now we know this is far from the case and as such it is logical to think that if we dont sign him its down to the yank bosses.
And from there its blatantly obvious that they are cunts.

Personally I think they are cunts already and I also believe that we will sign Mascher, but that is borne out of logic and hope more than anything else, there is no doubt that he is sought after and by letting his contract expire we are certainly opening the door for disaster.

**** it, ive had a real bad day and I hate the world.

[dww]

He sold the club because we didn't have enough money to compete with the likes of United. To compete we needed an injection of new money, money that he must of hoped the new owners would provide. That, as you say, was the whole point of the takeover. This has not happened though. What we have now is simply a different name above the door. The financial situation of the club is no better due to no new money being put in.



Yes, they did buy the club with personally secured loans. However, just because they are in their name and secured on their assets it does not mean that they will be making the repayments from their own pockets. It will be the club making the repayments regardless of whose name the loan is in. Hicks is a man that has made his money in leveraged buyouts. In these leveraged buyouts, such as his purchase of the club, they always get the company they are buying to pay for it themselves, this is how they make their money - it will be no different here. They certainly won't be taking one cent out of their own pockets in this deal. Once the business has repaid the loan they used to buy it with they will then own the business with no outstanding debt. They then sell the business and pocket the full market value of it without having spent a penny.

The way to think of it is if you were to buy a house to rent on a buy-to-let mortgage. You take out the loan in your name but it is your tenants that pay the mortgage. Once they've paid rent for long enough, and paid off the loan, you can sell the house and pocket the full value of the house. You are now hundreds of thousands better off and haven't expended a penny of your own money. Obviously this example takes years to pay off unlike the business deals that will be repaid over a much shorter time period.

I understand what your saying but all it amounts to is the fact that they are in this for a profit. Which I think we all accept.

It is immaterial where the money comes from if the new owners free more money by renegotiating debt/refinancing/whatever to improve the team than Moores could have. We have no way to know what would have happened if that was the case but we do know he left due to the fact he couldn't finance the stadium.

All the talk of the 'extra cash from the TV deal' is interesting as so far there is little evidence of bigger spending by the top 4. So given this and the fact that last years spend includes a £10m personal loan from Moores it is reasonable to say that the extra revenue we got would not necessarily have translated into extra transfer funds in the old regime.

I'm not trying to pretend the Americans are perfect owners but I do think the stick that they have come in for has been unjustified.

[irishgeo]

i just dont know who or what to believe.

[kurtangle01]

Tom, perhaps yo think that I was having a go at you for posting inside info. That wasn't the case I was basically pointing out that when you're as vague as you were in the post how could people believe anything. One thing I hate is when people get jumped on for posting info in good faith but you basically posted nothing.

If you couldn't divulge any info then it would probably have been best to say nothing.

Your original post basically told us nothing that we don't already know except the fact that you had a sleepless night last night. It was dressed up and sensationalised for effect though and then you come out with the vague info about Mascher to try and back up your claim but no one cold make a decision if we should panic or not due to the vague nature of your post.

I'm sorry that you're upset about people asking questions but what did you expect? With a post as vague and depressing as that you were always going to get questions.

You're an adult and have a lot of respect from members on this site, myself included, but your post today was befitting of a 16 year old wannabee who was in a panic because he heard that the yanks were crooks.

I think it's best to wait and see how things pan out in due course before making such harsh statements because all it does is cause panic and fear amongst some fans. It doesn't help one bit and I don't know why you felt the urge to do it.

As I said, no offence intended and hopefully you come back on the site because you seem like a nice and genuine enough guy.

[livvy145]

i just dont know who or what to believe.

Just support Liverpool.

Ultimately, none of the rest matters.

[Red Chilli]

what puzzles me about all this stuff is that so called 'intelligent' people are surprised the americans bought as an an 'investment'.

I was never in any doubt about this. We'll be fine just like the Scum as long as football is popular. When it dies and it will then thats the time to start crying. It'll be too late and that goes for all the other foreign owned clubs.

If we wanted to sell out to someone who loved the club then that guy was Morgan. But alas he didn't have sufficient funds. It also makes me laugh that everyman and his dog slagged off old Roman down at the bridge for buying the title yet by recent events thats exactly the type of figure most of us were after on here. Someone with deep enough pockets to buy which ever player the manager required. Its not all about money as Arsenal have proved, not only does Wenger get on with it without moaning to the press ala Rafa the club has resisted selling out to foreign owners. They are proud of their history and in the main get on with it.

Great post Robert, deserves recognition.

My twopenneth, I'm not arsed who owns the club as long as we're winning on the pitch and I'm not arsed who we sign or how much we spend so long as we're winning on the pitch.

[ineednewfootwear]

i just dont know who or what to believe.

don't believe anyone. skepticism is a virtue!

[CAD]

Great post Robert, deserves recognition.

My twopenneth, I'm not arsed who owns the club as long as we're winning on the pitch and I'm not arsed who we sign or how much we spend so long as we're winning on the pitch.

I would hate to see the Arabs buy LFC. I hated to see the Americans buy it.

I strongly disagree with everything in your post actuaally

[Red Chilli]

I would hate to see the Arabs buy LFC. I hated to see the Americans buy it.

I strongly disagree with everything in your post actuaally

You're not the first

If Mascherano goes to the SCUM it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest.

[red g]

You're not the first

If Mascherano goes to the SCUM it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest.

swap deal for carrick/hargreaves or fletcher

[The Glove]

swap deal for carrick/hargreaves or fletcher

Cant swap him, we dont own him. Sadly.