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    #76
    Originally posted by fredo View Post
    Why did you say that I'm being a WUM ? I've heard that the other day and this totally pisses me off. I've been consistent with all what I've said in this forum since the beginning and yet I'm being pilloried and made a scapegoat for your pisstaking.

    That's what is wrong with this place.
    I agree. It's entirely wrong to accuse fredo of being inconsistent.

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    Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



    May the Lord bless this post.

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      #77
      Originally posted by fredo View Post
      How is that damaging the club ? You're underestimating our fans ability to read and judge by themselves. Don't you know you're having your opinion on a public forum yourself ?
      Come on! Use your noddle fredo, of course it's damaging to the club.

      It's NEGATIVE press. It's creating a negative image of the club and it's owners. Whether you like it or not, the owners have a significant role to play in this club and anything damaging to them is damaging to the club.

      Plus he serving to keep the perceived split between Rafa and the owners going with speculation despite quotes to the contrary.
      Originally posted by Gordon Brown
      (1995)
      "A weak currency is the sign of a weak economy,which is the sign of a weak government"

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        #78
        Originally posted by fredo View Post
        How is that damaging the club ? You're underestimating our fans ability to read and judge by themselves. Don't you know you're having your opinion on a public forum yourself ?
        and it's not just LFC fans that read the press you know fredo
        Originally posted by Gordon Brown
        (1995)
        "A weak currency is the sign of a weak economy,which is the sign of a weak government"

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          #79
          Originally posted by Red Chilli View Post
          I've never said you have an agenda Tom(unless you are Brian Reade ), so let's put that one to bed.

          The agenda he has? He is trying to cause even more unrest between the fans and the owners and Rafa by writing this polarised unjustified nonsense which only serves to stir the pot.

          This article is damaging to the club, I am shocked that you can't see that.
          It's not *unjustied* as it happens to be correct (more or less).

          The yanks are doing a good enough job at alienating the fans as it is without articles like Reades.

          the club is in real trouble. No direspect intended to you, but we are in a dire straits and I can't be bothered to argue this anymore with the pollyanna's on here who refuse to see that.

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            #80
            Originally posted by Neil Young View Post
            I agree. It's entirely wrong to accuse fredo of being inconsistent.

            Maybe, but at least I'm being consistent
            Originally posted by Gordon Brown
            (1995)
            "A weak currency is the sign of a weak economy,which is the sign of a weak government"

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              #81
              Originally posted by Tom View Post
              It's not *unjustied* as it happens to be correct (more or less).

              The yanks are doing a good enough job at alienating the fans as it is without articles like Reades.

              the club is in real trouble. No direspect intended to you, but we are in a dire straits and I can't be bothered to argue this anymore with the pollyanna's on here who refuse to see that.
              Tom, it remains unjustified until he can give us some facts to justify his claims/rumours/stories with.

              You think it's correct(more or less)? OK tell us your compelling evidence then simple enough request
              Originally posted by Gordon Brown
              (1995)
              "A weak currency is the sign of a weak economy,which is the sign of a weak government"

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                #82
                Originally posted by Red Chilli View Post
                Maybe, but at least I'm being consistent
                And I was being deliberately ambiguous.
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                Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



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                  #83
                  Originally posted by Red Chilli View Post
                  Come on! Use your noddle fredo, of course it's damaging to the club.

                  It's NEGATIVE press. It's creating a negative image of the club and it's owners. Whether you like it or not, the owners have a significant role to play in this club and anything damaging to them is damaging to the club.

                  Plus he serving to keep the perceived split between Rafa and the owners going with speculation despite quotes to the contrary.
                  Originally posted by Red Chilli View Post
                  and it's not just LFC fans that read the press you know fredo
                  Why has the club implemented a PR department then ?

                  In any way, it's about Reade's opinion we're talking about, nothing more. And as Tom said, he's a fanatical red ? Why would he want to undermine the club ?

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                    #84
                    Originally posted by Red Chilli View Post
                    and it's not just LFC fans that read the press you know fredo
                    I don't know why that matters a jot.
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                    Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



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                      #85
                      I think it's an excellent article.



                      And to criticize Rafa too much for poor transfer dealings is ridiculous. Every manager there's ever been has signed players that didn't work out, or paid too much for some, and so on. Even a brilliant manager like Wenger has signed some god awful crap who weren't of the right standard.


                      The question is, on balance, does the manager get it right? And Rafa certainly has. Houllier left us with expensive players who on a very basic level couldn't play football! No touch or control or passing. Now not all Rafa's signing have been aces, but his instinct is right. For a Cheyrou and Diao, there's a Yossi and a Lucas, for example. Houllier breaks the bank at the time and buys Cisse, Rafa does it and buys Torres. It's a world of difference.


                      Th crux of the article - to the Americans, back him/sack him now/or **** off - is correct. I think it would be a catastrophic decision not to back him.

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                        #86
                        Originally posted by fredo View Post
                        Why has the club implemented a PR department then ?
                        Probably to counteract bollocks like the one we're talking about.

                        In any way, it's about Reade's opinion we're talking about, nothing more. And as Tom said, he's a fanatical red ? Why would he want to undermine the club ?
                        I don't know why, I'm as baffled as you, but it is damaging

                        If we're talking about his opinion, fine, but he doesn't state it as his opinion. He exaggerates perceived split between Rafa and the board after all parties have said the matter is resolved.

                        In any case, it's a terrible article, I've given my reasons, if you or anyone else don't like it then T.S.
                        Originally posted by Gordon Brown
                        (1995)
                        "A weak currency is the sign of a weak economy,which is the sign of a weak government"

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                          #87
                          Originally posted by Neil Young View Post
                          I don't know why that matters a jot.
                          I was referencing this masterstroke:

                          Originally posted by fredo
                          How is that damaging the club ? You're underestimating our fans ability to read and judge by themselves. Don't you know you're having your opinion on a public forum yourself
                          Originally posted by Gordon Brown
                          (1995)
                          "A weak currency is the sign of a weak economy,which is the sign of a weak government"

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                            #88
                            Originally posted by Red Chilli View Post
                            I was referencing this masrerstroke:


                            Well I think it matters a little what our supporters think is happening since it affects support at games, etc. What anyone else thinks is pretty irrelevant.
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                            Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



                            May the Lord bless this post.

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                              #89
                              Originally posted by Neil Young View Post


                              Well I think it matters a little what our supporters think is happening since it affects support at games, etc. What anyone else thinks is pretty irrelevant.
                              What about potential investors? What about potential signings? Are they irrelevant?
                              Originally posted by Gordon Brown
                              (1995)
                              "A weak currency is the sign of a weak economy,which is the sign of a weak government"

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                                #90
                                Originally posted by Red Chilli View Post
                                I was referencing this masterstroke:
                                You're a pendant always have been. Using my deficiencies in your language just to 'attack' me when you're being outdone is just not good enough.

                                As for your reference to my comment on the PR front, well, the club has been admirably using it. Money well spent.

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