Now then, for the love of god, please get the message rafa...

[Guest]

To be fair to Crouch he's hardly had the chance to show what he can do he hardly starts games (until recently) and when he comes off bench he gets 20mins max.

If he's got more impact from the bench, so be it. I agree that he's not played as regularly as he should have but I don't think much would have changed with more of him in the side.

He's maybe too static and offers nothing when he's in the wide areas, whilst Kuyt offers a little bit more in that sense. That's why maybe Rafa prefers Dirk.

Surely he's not that stupid.

What's the stats as regards goalscored between Kuyt and Crouch this season ?

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I think we would have scored more goals with Crouch playing instead of Kuyt, I can see the work Kuyt does , but he is doing this at the expense of being in the box and scoring goals.

Goal stats are:

Crouch 8
Kuyt 7

Can't find minutes on the pitch stats though

[Guest]

I think we would have scored more goals with Crouch playing instead of Kuyt, I can see the work Kuyt does , but he is doing this at the expense of being in the box and scoring goals.

Goal stats are:

Crouch 8
Kuyt 7

Can't find minutes on the pitch stats though

We need to find the minutes stats to have a better comparison. I just want to see how 'badly' Crouch has been overlooked this season.

[Guest]

Ok managed to find this, just a run down of matches played etc ...

----------------------pld------G--YC--RC--SSport Rating
Dirk Kuyt-------------19(11)---7---3---0------5.9
Peter Crouch---------15(10)---8---0---1------5.9
Fernando Torres------25(4)---18---4---0------6.9
Andriy Voronin--------15(6)---4----1---0------5.8

Torres is the one playing most games, with Kuyt heading the others but not by much.

[NRCRED]

We need to find the minutes stats to have a better comparison. I just want to see how 'badly' Crouch has been overlooked this season.

Kuyt 1212 mins

Crouch 460 mins

[Guest]

Kuyt 1212 mins

Crouch 460 mins

Interesting, didn't think there was that much a gap between them.

[Warren]

Kuyt 1212 mins

Crouch 460 mins

So Crouch 1 goal an hour and Kuyt 1 goal every 3 hours

[NRCRED]

Kuyt 1212 mins

Crouch 460 mins

Performance for Liverpool

------------------------------------------------ P W D L
When Dirk Kuyt Plays (Starts + Sub Appearances) 19 9 9 1
When Dirk Kuyt Starts the Game 13 6 6 1
When Dirk Kuyt Comes On as Sub 6 3 3 0
When Dirk Kuyt Scores 2 2 0 0


Performance for Liverpool

P W D L
When Peter Crouch Plays (Starts + Sub Appearances) 12 3 7 2
When Peter Crouch Starts the Game 4 2 1 1
When Peter Crouch Comes On as Sub 8 1 6 1
When Peter Crouch Scores 1 0 1 0

Performance for Liverpool

P W D L
When Fernando Torres Plays (Starts + Sub Appearances) 20 9 9 2
When Fernando Torres Starts the Game 17 8 7 2
When Fernando Torres Comes On as Sub 3 1 2 0
When Fernando Torres Scores 9 5 4 0

[Guest]

Could you define the columns mate ? I guess it's Played Scored Wins Losses ?

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I take it those stats were for league games only before Sunderland??

[Craig_H]

I would play Gerrard upfront with Torres instead of Crouch. Gerrard scores more goals than Crouch 'the striker' anyways. Crouch is in the same bracket as Kuyt for me, ie, he's not good enough and should be shipped out. It's not the odd goal here and there which will make him out as a 'great' attacking outlet.


Our most potent goalscoring outlets are Torres, Stevie, Yossi, Babel and Crouch is way off this pack. If someone needs to partner Torres it's Stevie, with Babel and Yossi left on the wings to keep the attacking threat alive on all fronts.

Just stop singling out Kuyt for our failings FFS, it's getting boring.

You reach new levels of absurdity...

Let's play our midfield dominating lynchpin up front

Crouch in the same bracket as Kuyt

As for Crouch only scoring 'the odd goal here and there'... How's 4 in 5 starts recently and 18 in 26 starts last season grab you?

I await your next pearl...

[Craig_H]

That's wank revisionism. Kuyt has been doing his best and has been unable to turn his form around, not for lack of effort. Crouch has been underused to a degree but when he has had his chance he hasn't done anything to convince me until lately. Rafa showed the same faith to Crouch as he has for Kuyt.

Don't try to change history cos both have been ****e for most part, fact.

It's only 'lately' that he's had any kind of chance in the first team.

How can he convince you from the sodding bench? WHU away, we were crying out for a change and a threat up front, but Crouch remained on the bench

[Craig_H]

Ok managed to find this, just a run down of matches played etc ...

----------------------pld------G--YC--RC--SSport Rating
Dirk Kuyt-------------19(11)---7---3---0------5.9
Peter Crouch---------15(10)---8---0---1------5.9
Fernando Torres------25(4)---18---4---0------6.9
Andriy Voronin--------15(6)---4----1---0------5.8

Torres is the one playing most games, with Kuyt heading the others but not by much.

So Crouch has only started 5 games, with the other 10 appearances being 20 mins at the end...and he has 8 goals.

[Craig_H]

Kuyt 1212 mins

Crouch 460 mins

Interesting, didn't think there was that much a gap between them.

It might make you realise why i'm so emphatic in my desire to see Crouch start. He's played the equivalent of 5 matches (in terms of minutes) and has 8 goals.

Whereas in the equivalent of 13.5 games, Kuyt has 7 goals.

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That's wank revisionism. Kuyt has been doing his best and has been unable to turn his form around, not for lack of effort. Crouch has been underused to a degree but when he has had his chance he hasn't done anything to convince me until lately. Rafa showed the same faith to Crouch as he has for Kuyt.

Don't try to change history cos both have been ****e for most part, fact.

When did Rafa show the same faith to Crouch as he did to Kuyt? When we first signed Crouch? This season and last (when we've had both Crouch and Kuyt) Rafa has always seemed to pick Kuyt ahead of Crouch despite Crouch having a better goals to minutes played ratio.