Afc Liverpool's new club badge

[ianbridgeman]

As far as i am concerned it is very simple.

AFC Liverpool venture into Junior Football and create a team from 7 -16. Approx 300 players required to do so.

AFC Liverpool then compete in local leagues accross Liverpool against the teams that AFC Liverpool have, potentially, gained their players from.

AFC Liverpool's future fan base then becomes an issue, why?

You have 300 players, the leagues have 5000 players. All of those 5000 juniors were once the people you wanted to be your fans, they won't be if you are competing against them.

If, however, AFC Liverpool had run community coaching days, linked themselves with other clubs in the community to support their efforts and to generally help throughout then you may find that future support is easier to attract.

Hence why pretty much most of the top level Non-League sides and all Laeague sides operate through affiliating with Junior Clubs not creating their own.

AFC obviously have very grand plans for what they wish to become, I just hope that the very people they wanted as fans are not the people they tread on.

[Dessy]

every area of liverpool has no non league team. from step 6 of the non league all the way up to the premiership, there are only two teams within the city boundaries Liverpool and Everton, and even one of them is leaving.

When we get our own ground it'll be in Liverpool, and then there'll still only be two teams, but it'll be Liverpool and AFC Liverpool. We'll monopolise the city.

And we aim to do a lot of good for the community in the process.

Why the interest in Knowsley for Reserves, Juniors and women then?

[ianbridgeman]

Separating the wheat from the chaff, I'm hearing that some random musician from Liverpool has out PR'd you. Instead of moaning about it, realize that it's the way of the world and COMPETE. I really don't think Alun is out to annilihate you, he's just done a better job than you!

El J - You are hearing only what you want to hear, but still generally missing my point.

Such is life, you don't see it from my point of view and I accept that. I shall be interested to watch how JFC Liverpool oh sorry!! AFC Liverpool, fare in this.

[The Glove]

Which Non-League clubs have a Junior Setup?

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That are not just affiliated?

Ive seen various kids with Prescot Cables stuff, same goes for Marine. Youre getting hung up over a name. AFC Liverpool never set out to set up youth teams etc but teams have come to us wanting to be a part of it so why should we not let them? Why should we tell them to do one? If we can help them then why is it a problem?

Surely the only thing is making sure that the facilities for kids wishing to learn and train are improved and expanded upon in the city - regardless of any badges or clubs.

If more kids get more chance to follow their dreams then it's all good, as far as I can see.

Exactly. I see no problem what a kids team is called or who runs it so long as there is one. AFC Liverpool havent set up any of these sides, they have approached us and if it helps them then why shouldnt we?

I'm not saying that I'm thinking about the kids - if facilities overall in the city improve; i.e. more kids get a chance then who cares who delivers it?

Spot on.

As far as i am concerned it is very simple.

AFC Liverpool venture into Junior Football and create a team from 7 -16. Approx 300 players required to do so.

AFC Liverpool then compete in local leagues accross Liverpool against the teams that AFC Liverpool have, potentially, gained their players from.

AFC Liverpool's future fan base then becomes an issue, why?

You have 300 players, the leagues have 5000 players. All of those 5000 juniors were once the people you wanted to be your fans, they won't be if you are competing against them.

If, however, AFC Liverpool had run community coaching days, linked themselves with other clubs in the community to support their efforts and to generally help throughout then you may find that future support is easier to attract.

Hence why pretty much most of the top level Non-League sides and all Laeague sides operate through affiliating with Junior Clubs not creating their own.

AFC obviously have very grand plans for what they wish to become, I just hope that the very people they wanted as fans are not the people they tread on.

We did not set up any of these teams, they were all already in existence. All they are doing is changing thier name after approaching us and asking if they can be part of AFC Liverpool. You seem to think that we are coming in and setting everything up and some how putting your nose out. I fail to see how that is the case, I really do. Why does it matter so much who teaches kids footy?

Also, AFC Liverpool is about 10 weeks old. You have no idea what the plans are to involve schools, youth clubs etc so its a bit harsh to lambast us.

The Youth set/womens team are complete bonuses as we had no intention of setting them up just yet but we got approached by loads of teams and coaches offering their services. Why should we not let them do there thing for us?

Please explain why AFC Liverpool shouldve told all these existing teams to go away cos from were Im sitting, I really do not see why us being involved in youth football is such a bad thing because at the end of the day, youth football is about kids.

Why the interest in Knowsley for Reserves, Juniors and women then?

Again, these teams have approached us, its them with the interest.

As for the reserve team, well the players for that will come from a result of the Manager bringing players and also the trials we held.

[ScouseUK]

ive lived in liverpool all my life and apart from a handfull of clubs there is nothing outside the saturdays and sundays leagues for kids to play in,yes there are school games and other kids leagues set up from sunday league teams so why not bring afc liverpool through,like i said in another post it would be pointless afc liverpool loooking to start around here cause marine already have a youth set up at there none league team,but i no 1st hand that there are many areas that would benifit a great deal from having something like afc liverpool set up in there area.proper set ups proper coaching and yes kids may move away from other clubs but that hapens every week..

i was abit sceptical at the start but iam for it now and its not blind arogence or being fed a line its because i think that eventually it will do good in a area of liverpool.

and if they get to the prem i will support liverpool

[ianbridgeman]

Ive seen various kids with Prescot Cables stuff, same goes for Marine. Youre getting hung up over a name. AFC Liverpool never set out to set up youth teams etc but teams have come to us wanting to be a part of it so why should we not let them? Why should we tell them to do one? If we can help them then why is it a problem?




Exactly. I see no problem what a kids team is called or who runs it so long as there is one. AFC Liverpool havent set up any of these sides, they have approached us and if it helps them then why shouldnt we?



Spot on.



We did not set up any of these teams, they were all already in existence. All they are doing is changing thier name after approaching us and asking if they can be part of AFC Liverpool. You seem to think that we are coming in and setting everything up and some how putting your nose out. I fail to see how that is the case, I really do. Why does it matter so much who teaches kids footy?

Also, AFC Liverpool is about 10 weeks old. You have no idea what the plans are to involve schools, youth clubs etc so its a bit harsh to lambast us.

The Youth set/womens team are complete bonuses as we had no intention of setting them up just yet but we got approached by loads of teams and coaches offering their services. Why should we not let them do there thing for us?

Please explain why AFC Liverpool shouldve told all these existing teams to go away cos from were Im sitting, I really do not see why us being involved in youth football is such a bad thing because at the end of the day, youth football is about kids.




Again, these teams have approached us, its them with the interest.

As for the reserve team, well the players for that will come from a result of the Manager bringing players and also the trials we held.

Finish what you started, in the manner you started it. Then see what you are capable of doing. You are actively advertising for players so how can you honestly say they came to you?

Do what you like. I have listened for the 10 weeks you talk about and only see an inability to understand the damage you could do.

You will only listen to yourselves, hear what you want to hear and attack those with infinitely more experience in these things than you have.

Good luck to you.

[The Glove]

Finish what you started, in the manner you started it. Then see what you are capable of doing. You are actively advertising for players so how can you honestly say they came to you?

Do what you like. I have listened for the 10 weeks you talk about and only see an inability to understand the damage you could do.

You will only listen to yourselves, hear what you want to hear and attack those with infinitely more experience in these things than you have.

Good luck to you.

Advertise for first team players, yeah we did. YouthTeams and the womens team came to us. The women who is in charge of the womens team is aldo head of that leagues committee, surely is is in a good place to see if we are doing wrong or not? If whoever run these teams already, want more players then what else are they gonna do? Do other youth clubs not advertise when they need players?

We have listened to everyone and so far yours is the only voice I have come across that has said what we are doing in youth football is wrong and to be honest mate, youre not convincing me other wise.

Facts are, established teams approached us, we said ok. Why is that a problem? We arent 'stealing' players as these teams already had them. If lads suddnely dont want to play or have gone over the age or whatever then those teams are well within their right to look for more players arent they?

How come AFC Liverpool are suddenly the bad guys? Surely any kids that move teams just create more space for more kids to be involved and at the end of the day, kids being involved is what it should all be about, not 'having the best kids team'. Id hate to have a kid in a team that was focused on winning at that age, Id much rather the kids took part and had fun learning, not have some sort of failed drill sergant as a manager shouting and balling at them so with that attitude AFC Liverpool may not win many games but atleast the kids will enjoy it a lot more and if thats wrong in your eyes mate, then there isnt much I can say really.

[ianbridgeman]

Advertise for first team players, yeah we did. YouthTeams and the womens team came to us. The women who is in charge of the womens team is aldo head of that leagues committee, surely is is in a good place to see if we are doing wrong or not? If whoever run these teams already, want more players then what else are they gonna do? Do other youth clubs not advertise when they need players?

We have listened to everyone and so far yours is the only voice I have come across that has said what we are doing in youth football is wrong and to be honest mate, youre not convincing me other wise.

Facts are, established teams approached us, we said ok. Why is that a problem? We arent 'stealing' players as these teams already had them. If lads suddnely dont want to play or have gone over the age or whatever then those teams are well within their right to look for more players arent they?

How come AFC Liverpool are suddenly the bad guys? Surely any kids that move teams just create more space for more kids to be involved and at the end of the day, kids being involved is what it should all be about, not 'having the best kids team'. Id hate to have a kid in a team that was focused on winning at that age, Id much rather the kids took part and had fun learning, not have some sort of failed drill sergant as a manager shouting and balling at them so with that attitude AFC Liverpool may not win many games but atleast the kids will enjoy it a lot more and if thats wrong in your eyes mate, then there isnt much I can say really.

No, mate!! you advertised for Junior Players only recently not just open age players so your statement that they all came to you is not entirely correct is it?

You've got people talking about "Competing" in a kids environment, about you offering something "Better" than the next man yet you talk about "failed drill sergeants" don't make me laugh, your reasons for operating a junior system of your own are to try to obtain the best players to go to the reserves or 1st team once they get to that right age, it's basic player pathway stuff that will, inevitably lead you to eliteism, something that has no place in Junior Football.

You, once again, have missed the point and you continue to bang on about how I am painting a picture that AFC Liverpool are the bad guys, I really don't give a toss if you create a Junior Club, it happens every day somewhere in the world, but remember why you started AFC Liverpool and who you were hoping would be your fan base. I say it for the 4th and last time, AFC Liverpool would have been better served linking with the local community clubs instead of competing with them. Your committee structure should have been strong enough to keep everything, other then the intial model, at arms length until it was all set up and running right, but no, you use your extensive free media exposure to go way beyond the initial remit and stick 2 fingers up to the rest.

Once again, good luck to you!!

[Dessy]

Why the interest in Knowsley for Reserves, Juniors and women then?

Ive seen various kids with Prescot Cables stuff, same goes for Marine. Youre getting hung up over a name. AFC Liverpool never set out to set up youth teams etc but teams have come to us wanting to be a part of it so why should we not let them? Why should we tell them to do one? If we can help them then why is it a problem?




Exactly. I see no problem what a kids team is called or who runs it so long as there is one. AFC Liverpool havent set up any of these sides, they have approached us and if it helps them then why shouldnt we?



Spot on.



We did not set up any of these teams, they were all already in existence. All they are doing is changing thier name after approaching us and asking if they can be part of AFC Liverpool. You seem to think that we are coming in and setting everything up and some how putting your nose out. I fail to see how that is the case, I really do. Why does it matter so much who teaches kids footy?

Also, AFC Liverpool is about 10 weeks old. You have no idea what the plans are to involve schools, youth clubs etc so its a bit harsh to lambast us.

The Youth set/womens team are complete bonuses as we had no intention of setting them up just yet but we got approached by loads of teams and coaches offering their services. Why should we not let them do there thing for us?

Please explain why AFC Liverpool shouldve told all these existing teams to go away cos from were Im sitting, I really do not see why us being involved in youth football is such a bad thing because at the end of the day, youth football is about kids.




Again, these teams have approached us, its them with the interest.

As for the reserve team, well the players for that will come from a result of the Manager bringing players and also the trials we held.

You miss my point. The post I referred to suggests that you will be one of 2 teams playing from Liverpool.

Why then have you approaced KMBC to use facilities in Knowsley for the Reserve, Youth and Ladies teams set up?

[The Glove]

Again, the pre exisiting teams that come to us, if they need players then how else are they going to get them? How does your team get players?

Do you have the same attitude toward LFC's youth teams or just ours as regards this elitism?

We obvioulsy are linking with teams as they are approaching us, we have even had to turn teams down. We havent set up a team that wasnt already there. If we had rocked up and stomped all over existing teams you might have a point but as far as Im aware that is not the case! All our teams already existed. What is the difference between linking up how you suggest and how it is now. It would still be viewed the same, the same things would happen. The only difference is the name.


Nothing Im going to say will convince you anyway and same like wise. Its been interesting, but I really can not see how we are doing wrong or different to anyone else.

[The Glove]

You miss my point. The post I referred to suggests that you will be one of 2 teams playing from Liverpool.

Why then have you approaced KMBC to use facilities in Knowsley for the Reserve, Youth and Ladies teams set up?

Mainly because there is no where in Liverpool that can accomodate us at this late stage. Facilities are booked up well in advance. Once we have our own ground we can use that for our needs. We currently dont therefore have to use what we can where we can.

[ianbridgeman]

Again, the pre exisiting teams that come to us, if they need players then how else are they going to get them? How does your team get players?

Do you have the same attitude toward LFC's youth teams or just ours as regards this elitism?

We obvioulsy are linking with teams as they are approaching us, we have even had to turn teams down. We havent set up a team that wasnt already there. If we had rocked up and stomped all over existing teams you might have a point but as far as Im aware that is not the case! All our teams already existed. What is the difference between linking up how you suggest and how it is now. It would still be viewed the same, the same things would happen. The only difference is the name.


Nothing Im going to say will convince you anyway and same like wise. Its been interesting, but I really can not see how we are doing wrong or different to anyone else.

LFC don't have youth teams in the same way as you seem to believe, they are a registered C.of.E (no not Church of England, Centre of Excellence) so therefore only operate as such. When was the last time you saw Liverpool FC under 8's playing in their local league or Liverpool FC's Under 12s entering local leagues? Answer : NEVER! LFC have development officers, scouts & coaches that work closely with community clubs to help them and identify elite players to take to the COE.

There is where you don't understand. When you advertise for Junior players to come and join AFC Liverpool you are stomping on those clubs, if you are not creating those teams and are linking directly with clubs to develop a player pathway into your open age system then I am all for it but you are openly advertising for Junior players to Join AFC Liverpool and that is what does not sit right with me.

You are right, it has been interesting, I do so like playing devils advocate.

[ScouseUK]

There is where you don't understand. When you advertise for Junior players to come and join AFC Liverpool you are stomping on those clubs, if you are not creating those teams and are linking directly with clubs to develop a player pathway into your open age system then I am all for it but you are openly advertising for Junior players to Join AFC Liverpool and that is what does not sit right with me.

You are right, it has been interesting, I do so like playing devils advocate.

there are 10000s of kids around the country who dont have teams to play in,i no 1st hand there are 1000s of kids team less in liverpool alone....so were is the problem and if teams have aproached AFC liverpool to come under there name and then advertised for players like they would of done last season but under the own name how is that a problem....

its a fact that there isnt enough football at grass roots lvl,afc will eventually have a youth setup if iam correct in thinkin so,so were is the problem.....

your post make it sound like afc have stolen your team

[CJ]

WHY is this in the LFC forum. it isnt anything to do with Liverpool Football club.

[disco]

I'm not saying that I'm thinking about the kids - if facilities overall in the city improve; i.e. more kids get a chance then who cares who delivers it?

Firmly playing devil's advocate here - I am interested to see AFC's plans and I'm broadly in support of the concept - but the analogy I have for AFC is Chelsea.

Basically storming in with relative large amounts of money through little relative effort (not belittling the campaigning people have done, but it's hardly taken them years). I can see why clubs who have spent years developing themselves and their fanbase would be piszed.

Anyone not seeing the advantage AFC have is kidding themselves.