(bumped) Ronnie Whelan is as big a **** as Dunphy and Giles.

[Reece]

Bloody 'Johnny'. Pops onto the site at 5 am, drops a bombshell, and then fecks off "on holiday"

Needless to say, he's had the last laugh.

[red g]

Needless to say, he's had the last laugh.

classic partridge

[tomasjj]

Who does he have to justify his opinion to?

To a bunch of internet warriors? Or a bunch of armchair football fans who've never played the game profesionally.

If I didn't know better I'd say you were on a wind up

Whether or not YOU think that 'anyone should have to justify an opinion', we are a bit more liberal in this country and we believe that people have the right to form whatever opinion they wish and our freedom of speech is very important to us.

So any former player can say what they want about the current players, cause they have played the game?

It is all well to say someone is **** then, without backing it up with any justification because he has played the game?

Stay out of the medicine cabinet doc.

[Vermilion]

Funnily enough the best rated managers in the world today have NOT played football at the top level, did Maureen ever play?, so it would logically follow that having played at the top level wouldn't necessarily make you a great pundit either, it's not a given that having played you have a better insight than someone who's studied the game thoroughly over many years. .

[Red Chilli]

So any former player can say what they want about the current players, cause they have played the game?

It is all well to say someone is **** then, without backing it up with any justification because he has played the game?

Stay out of the medicine cabinet doc.

Unfortunately for you, with our freedom of speech, they can. Indeed it's OK for anyone to say what they want about our current players, within the law of the land, whether they have played the game or not. It's called freedom of speech mate, google it

How do you propose that we stop people forming opinions that they don't have to justify? We don't have 'thought police' in this country, yet, and we are free to express our opinions within the law.

I love the way you have to add your little "dig" at the end, second time you've resorted to it. It sort of detracts from your point. As if to say 'my argument isn't strong enough to stand on it's own, so I'll add a little dig at the end'. Try and make a point without it mate

[Red Chilli]

Funnily enough the best rated managers in the world today have NOT played football at the top level, did Maureen ever play?, so it would logically follow that having played at the top level wouldn't necessarily make you a great pundit either.

That's not what was being discussed mate because there isn't any argument with that

[Vermilion]

That's not what was being discussed mate because there isn't any argument with that

Oh Bugger, you've spoilt my day now. ................ I'm sure someone mentioned that having played at the top level automatically gives you a better insight than someone who hadn't, never mind eh.

[Jan Molby]

[QUOTE=Reece;1172374]So you are basically saying that you think no one here has any interesting opinions, and all those who have, have left (due to childish posters with **** opinions)? In which case can I ask why you are still here if you think the quality of the posters/posting is so bad? How about you post more and try and improve it? You obviously believe yourself to have more interesting opinions than most.

correct, no offense to any of you, but reece is rite, thanks for clearing that up mate.

i wont give any more hassle to you people, but 3 things, where have all the original regulars gone, where have the insiders gone, and why have they all gone. I know the answers to all of these q's, and i suspect so do you.

If you have an opinion thats not blindingly pro liverpool, your ****ed.

if you put up an arguement, you ****ed cos no one has the ability to argue back maturely

and biggest of all, if you have heard any info re club, transfers etc, then your really ****ed, cos the people left on this site will gun you down, slag you berate you, call you every name under the sun, Im glad i live away from liverpool and never hear any insider news cos to post it here would be lunacy.......

just thought i would get you folks thinking a bit

[Red Chilli]

What insiders mate? I can only think of one who has left the site

[BFG]

[QUOTE=Jan Molby;1172413]

So you are basically saying that you think no one here has any interesting opinions, and all those who have, have left (due to childish posters with **** opinions)? In which case can I ask why you are still here if you think the quality of the posters/posting is so bad? How about you post more and try and improve it? You obviously believe yourself to have more interesting opinions than most.

correct, no offense to any of you, but reece is rite, thanks for clearing that up mate.

i wont give any more hassle to you people, but 3 things, where have all the original regulars gone, where have the insiders gone, and why have they all gone. I know the answers to all of these q's, and i suspect so do you.

If you have an opinion thats not blindingly pro liverpool, your ****ed.

if you put up an arguement, you ****ed cos no one has the ability to argue back maturely

and biggest of all, if you have heard any info re club, transfers etc, then your really ****ed, cos the people left on this site will gun you down, slag you berate you, call you every name under the sun, Im glad i live away from liverpool and never hear any insider news cos to post it here would be lunacy.......

just thought i would get you folks thinking a bit

Are you ****ing joking mate? This site has posters that aren't allowed on other forums because they're deemed too negative. People come, people go, that's the nature of internet forums.

[Vermilion]

[QUOTE=Jan Molby;1172413]

So you are basically saying that you think no one here has any interesting opinions, and all those who have, have left (due to childish posters with **** opinions)? In which case can I ask why you are still here if you think the quality of the posters/posting is so bad? How about you post more and try and improve it? You obviously believe yourself to have more interesting opinions than most.

correct, no offense to any of you, but reece is rite, thanks for clearing that up mate.

i wont give any more hassle to you people, but 3 things, where have all the original regulars gone, where have the insiders gone, and why have they all gone. I know the answers to all of these q's, and i suspect so do you.

If you have an opinion thats not blindingly pro liverpool, your ****ed.

if you put up an arguement, you ****ed cos no one has the ability to argue back maturely

and biggest of all, if you have heard any info re club, transfers etc, then your really ****ed, cos the people left on this site will gun you down, slag you berate you, call you every name under the sun, Im glad i live away from liverpool and never hear any insider news cos to post it here would be lunacy.......

just thought i would get you folks thinking a bit

Not sure what you mean, the posters who doubt Rafa, or doubt his players or post negative opinon are in the minority, but the minority insist on calling the positive posters blind or the rcdnw brigade, don't say the positive posters don't argue their point rationally because they do, it's just that the minority feel bullied, because they believe they are right, it's just a different opinion.

[Jan Molby]

I’m sorry pal – I just read this quickly as I am about to become very busy…but can I ask WTF you’re on about? ‘childish ilk? WTF? Are you still on the same topic? WTF have people who have left this site got to do with anything? I’ve played no part in ‘forcing’ any ****er to leave this site, for what it’s worth.

Whilst veering (seemingly) wildly off-topic, you have failed to address my point – you don’t seem to be able to discern playing football from offering insight into it. You seem to think “if you’ve played it, you can offer insight into it”. I’ve given examples to the contrary. Argue all you like, but please back up what you’re saying. And stay on topic.

okay okay......take this in if ya can mate, read it twice if ya have to.

you said: Just because someone has played at the highest level, it doesn’t necessarily follow that he has any sort of insight into the game.

I said: wow.
what a statement!
surely they would have a better insight into the game than me, you or most people on these forums, a former pro footballer??????
come on

As i have said before, this is a very strange statement.

I am of the belief that a top flight proffessional footballer would have a better insight into the game than me, you or anyone else on this forum.

They would know more than me about training, fitness, footballers recommended eating habits, injuries, recovery, physio, agents, player wages, player bonuses, best practice behavior at a football club, scoring goals and strong defenses, getting paid large salaries, contracts, and the majority i would imagine would know more about football tactics and management than me or you.
I really hope you can see what i am getting at, when you say "Just because someone has played at the highest level, it doesn’t necessarily follow that he has any sort of insight into the game", and i respond by saying"what a statement!
surely they would have a better insight into the game than me, you or most people on these forums"

You can name a few people that you may regard not excelling in the tactics of the game, i might even agree with you, but such a broad statement claiming that people at the highest level of football may not have "any sort of insight into the game", is, im my opinion a strange and inaccurate thing to say.

[carheex]

110% agree

Ronnie Whelan is a Liverpool legend, one of my favourite ever players and a class class act on the pitch. To call him a c*nt for having an opinion, negative though it might be, is extremely ott in my opinion.

Couldn't agree more. What a lot of people can't seem to grasp is that, like many other ex-players, he was just someone who used to work for Liverpool FC and has moved on.

How many people here wax lyrical about all of their former employers at every opportunity?

He played for other clubs and has worked at other places too - it doesn't mean that he has to think we're amazing and give us praise, praise, praise all the time. If he did that he'd be out of a job - the prequisite of being a football commentator/pundit is NOT that you must absolutely love LFC and hate all other clubs.

If people want the commentary to be all in favour of their club then I "recommend" sky sports fan zone! See how they like that as an alternative!!!

[tomasjj]

Unfortunately for you, with our freedom of speech, they can. Indeed it's OK for anyone to say what they want about our current players, within the law of the land, whether they have played the game or not. It's called freedom of speech mate, google it

How do you propose that we stop people forming opinions that they don't have to justify? We don't have 'thought police' in this country, yet, and we are free to express our opinions within the law.

I love the way you have to add your little "dig" at the end, second time you've resorted to it. It sort of detracts from your point. As if to say 'my argument isn't strong enough to stand on it's own, so I'll add a little dig at the end'. Try and make a point without it mate

As to say that you are not having digs with your patronising stuff here?

To be fair, I think I could have been more clear. It would seem so, as I am not saying people cannot form a free opinion. Of course they can.
Maybe justify is not the right word, but more back up an opinion with some argumentation, references to past happenings or facts of some kind.

Like if someone says Torres is **** in the air, you would at least expect someone, player, past player, internet warrior - doesn't matter really, to back that up with something, right?

Which was the point I tried to make, Whelan, past legend or not, does not have a carte blanche to throw out criticisms imo - he has to back it up. Otherwise he warrants no respect as an expert of the game.

[Vermilion]

As to say that you are not having digs with your patronising stuff here?

To be fair, I think I could have been more clear. It would seem so, as I am not saying people cannot form a free opinion. Of course they can.
Maybe justify is not the right word, but more back up an opinion with some argumentation, references to past happenings or facts of some kind.

Like if someone says Torres is **** in the air, you would at least expect someone, player, past player, internet warrior - doesn't matter really, to back that up with something, right?

Which was the point I tried to make, Whelan, past legend or not, does not have a carte blanche to throw out criticisms imo - he has to back it up. Otherwise he warrants no respect as an expert of the game.

That's the crux of it for me, don't just say it...explain it, otherwise rightly or wrongly some fans will just take it as a dig at LFC.