The New Manager Thread

[Baracus]

All the sniping going on in the media between the club and Rafa can only end one way.

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[Neil Young]

Re Kenny coming back.... and he being too long out of the game etc..


So what.., I just dont get that it definitely wouldnt work...

He knows the club, the ethos and the way to play. He can instill confidence and stability, he could have key aides with him such as Sammy Lee, Rush, McAllister - bring in Hyppia also. Ok its pie in the sky stuff.

But its not a total impossibility.. Why cant a man who's achieved so much as a player and manager here, be just as capable as the sound bite specialist Translator!

Only thing, as Neil said that I would fear is that if things went drastically wrong it would tarnish his legendary status.

I just think football, like everything else, moves on. If Kenny had stayed in management, learning new things at different clubs, in different countries, then it might be feasible. Even then it's hard to stay at the top for any length of time (which is why, even with all the money he's had to spend, Ferguson's achievements shouldn't be written off).

But for Dalglish to try to come back after years out of it when so much has changed would be a massive gamble for the club as well as for him and his reputation.

[cream]

Why? The media is hardly reliable is it.

It's pretty obvious both parties are briefing the media.

[dww]

I think there is a very odd thing happening here - if G&H are serious about selling the club then surely what the existing board think of Rafa is more or less meaningless. If they don't and/or can't get a good value (in their eyes0 for the club at present then they probably can't afford to sack Rafa. You would think if Rafa wanted to go he would have just offered himself to Juve and been gone. Equally why the heel are the board and manager seemingly happy to invest finances in tranfers for the long term (like Shelvey) if they both envision a parting of the ways?

I hope it doesn't mean that the owners are planning something like what NY suggests (i.e. selling Torres et al to raise funds) and assuming this will force Rafa out solving a second problem with them using his "poor performance" this season as an excuse.

[Dessy]

I think there is a very odd thing happening here - if G&H are serious about selling the club then surely what the existing board think of Rafa is more or less meaningless. If they don't and/or can't get a good value (in their eyes0 for the club at present then they probably can't afford to sack Rafa. You would think if Rafa wanted to go he would have just offered himself to Juve and been gone. Equally why the heel are the board and manager seemingly happy to invest finances in tranfers for the long term (like Shelvey) if they both envision a parting of the ways?

I hope it doesn't mean that the owners are planning something like what NY suggests (i.e. selling Torres et al to raise funds) and assuming this will force Rafa out solving a second problem with them using his "poor performance" this season as an excuse.

Why would Rafa even contemplate 'offering' himself unless its on his own terms (i.e a payoff)?

[Phoenix07]

Why wouldn't Rafa offer his services if he's unsure about the future of the club?

Better to keep his options open.

[dww]

Why would Rafa even contemplate 'offering' himself unless its on his own terms (i.e a payoff)?

Because he would be getting a comparable salary, comparative job security, a better professional outlook including decent transfer funds. If he wanted out it offers a very good way out. Unless of course we assume that his sole motivation is financial.

[Dessy]

Why wouldn't Rafa offer his services if he's unsure about the future of the club?

Better to keep his options open.

Surely he's keeping his options open by not offering his services just yet? He has a job, theres potential for a new owner and so potential for a change in direction, he has suitors lining up in the background....he can't lose, can he?

[Dessy]

Because he would be getting a comparable salary, comparative job security, a better professional outlook including decent transfer funds. If he wanted out it offers a very good way out. Unless of course we assume that his sole motivation is financial.

It mightn't be his sole motivation (financial) but I'm pretty sure with the amount being talked about in terms of payoff, losing a slice of that to walk away on a matter of principle or professional betterment must be a consideration for him.

[cream]

It mightn't be his sole motivation (financial) but I'm pretty sure with the amount being talked about in terms of payoff, losing a slice of that to walk away on a matter of principle or professional betterment must be a consideration for him.

He wouldn't walk away, both parties would come to a mutual agreement where the terms of his Rafa's exit would be worked out. Possibly the next meeting.

[Phoenix07]

Surely he's keeping his options open by not offering his services just yet? He has a job, theres potential for a new owner and so potential for a change in direction, he has suitors lining up in the background....he can't lose, can he?

Hence why I think he's not accepted the Juventus offer until he's sought clarification from Broughton that new investors want him. If not, he accepts(which he has until Monday I think), and then it's bye bye.

[red n white]

I imagine he would be easily tempted from the nice stable, league topping CL finalists who also happen to be the most cash rich club in Europe to come and take over a club not in the CL and with no transfer funds and proven liars as owners.

Well, van Gaal went on record a few weeks back, saying he would quit the Bayern job if he won the treble.

He has all but won the national championship and is qualified for the finals fo the national cup and the CL.

Maybe not so impossible after all ... and his attacking football is fun to watch.

But then again, he can always retract his statement, dismissing it as a bit of fun at the time.

I still got the feeling we're stuck with Rafa and have to give him a last chance ... maybe he'll surprise us all.

[Dessy]

He wouldn't walk away, both parties would come to a mutual agreement where the terms of his Rafa's exit would be worked out. Possibly the next meeting.

Hence why I think he's not accepted the Juventus offer until he's sought clarification from Broughton that new investors want him. If not, he accepts(which he has until Monday I think), and then it's bye bye.

I think the bottom line is that he'd only be happy to go on terms that are mutually agreed and part of that would be that he'd want a decent payoff, sacked or not?

[Exiled_red]

He wouldn't walk away, both parties would come to a mutual agreement where the terms of his Rafa's exit would be worked out. Possibly the next meeting.

I don't see how it is in the current owners interests to get rid of him by mutual agreement or whatever. The new owners may or may not want him but the sale of the club would need to be sorted before that.

[cream]

I think the bottom line is that he'd only be happy to go on terms that are mutually agreed and part of that would be that he'd want a decent payoff, sacked or not?

Rafa would get a pay off but not the full amount of his contract. Also, there will be some conditions such as talking to the media and not working in this league for a set time.