Is Hodgson the right man for LFC

[Reece]

you've got that backwards.

results is whats needed to build on. ghet confidence to win ugly then try getting the performance levels up.

The fact is that so far we've had neither. Had we at least had some positive performances to take away from the poor results then you'd probably see more people willing to give Hodgson more time.

As it is, a high percentage of people on here (as showed by the poll results) clearly haven't found anything positive to take away from the performances.

Personally some of the performances have been far worse than anything under Benitez in my opinion.

[Lecter]

so you want us to be arsenal???

good to watch but win **** all?

i'd rather be arsed about results and couldnt give a **** if they were pretty wins or not.

We are not doing either if you havent noticed

[alunevans]

How long would you consider representative though

6 months, 12 months, 3 years!!

I dont think we can afford to give him too long because things have been so bad

The longer the poor form and poor results go on the more urgent it becomes to make a judgement on him

A fair question. I reckon after 12 to 14 league games we'll have a pretty decent idea of where we're at rather than a few games in.

go through past seasons and look at the league tables after 5 or 6 games. they're just meaningless as any sort of predictor of final placings.

so just under 2 months time roughly. at that point i'd be able to say with a reasonable degree of confidence how well he is doing. i just can't at the moment.

[Lecter]

A fair question. I reckon after 12 to 14 league games we'll have a pretty decent idea of where we're at rather than a few games in.

go through past seasons and look at the league tables after 5 or 6 games. they're just meaningless as any sort of predictor of final placings.

so just under 2 months time roughly. at that point i'd be able to say with a reasonable degree of confidence how well he is doing. i just can't at the moment.

League tables are meaningless at the moment but performance levels are a great indicator of where we are at

As I have mentioned previously if we were playing well but not getting the results I wouldnt be overly concerned

Fact is though we are doing neither and its not as if you can point towards a gradual but slow improvement

Come 12-14 games the clamouring for him to go will be deafening

I just dont see him picking up enough points

There are games that are winnable certainly but not at the level or manner in which we are performing

[danperkins]

you're wasting your time mate. the knives are out, the witch hunt is in full flow, it won't stop for the forseeable.

You've got the fans who didn't want him as manager, and in their minds at least they feel more than justifed with literally every passing hour. Fair enough at least they're consistent.

You've got the people who have extremely selective memories and are basically re-writing the history of Rafael Benitez LFC manager to suit their agenda. I'm sure he'll be claimed by some to be some kind of spanish god in a few weeks.

You then have the ones who only read what they want to read for example, you said he did a good job at Fulham and the response was 'would you settle for the same league position at liverpool??!!!' How can someone saying he did a good job at fulham getting 7th and then a europe final place the following season equate to 'I think if Roy does the same here it'll be a great success???'

Then the ones defending Roy on here are coming across as though they're on a personal crusade to defend his honour, whereas in reality it only looks that way when there's so much unfair and unjust flack being posted.

It's madness.

On a side note, What happened to the crowd inspiring the players? Its about time they showed why they're revered the world over. A team obviously low on confidence together with new players would benefit no end from having the ground rocking again, helping to inspire greater performances. Instead of groans and moans when a pass goes astray they should be flat out cheering the team on. What better way to say **** off to the americans, than to sing your hearts out and will our team on to better things regardless of the handicap of the owners. Its our team afterall. If this didn't help results, then you'd have to start raising some serious questions.

Great post

[danperkins]

This thread is ****ing madness

[Alex]

I will say one thing and one thing only on the matter.

Give Roy more than 6 games, he is a good manager. Its absolutely shameful that we people are on his back already. Lets get behind him the way we did when Rafa was having a bad time. Sing our hearts out. We are Liverpool, not ****ing Blackburn.

Like every manager at this club that ive been alive for, Roy will get my full backing until he or the club decide other wise.

Rally behind him, not agaisnt him!

[Fredo]

Bill Shankly died on the 29th of September 1981. Rest in peace great man.

[Neil Young]

I think enough is enough. I've nearly posted this a few times already but keep reading sideswipes at other posters from the likes of Bob and little danperkins which has stopped me up to now. But leaving that squabbling aside...

F*ck it. I've never believed Hodgson is good enough and I don't believe it now. But he's the manager. The real problem is the owners and until they leave we're not going to have enough money to improve significantly enough and we're not going to get a better manager.

The time to consider his future is at the end of the season or when we get new (better) owners or if we're facing relegation (which I don't believe will happen), whichever comes soonest.

I think criticism is fine but we're stuck with him so we need to be as supportive as we can be. Not for his sake, but for the club's and ultimately for ourselves.

[Shaggy]

"little danperkins" LMAO!

[barnes10]

League tables are meaningless at the moment but performance levels are a great indicator of where we are at

As I have mentioned previously if we were playing well but not getting the results I wouldnt be overly concerned

Fact is though we are doing neither and its not as if you can point towards a gradual but slow improvement

Come 12-14 games the clamouring for him to go will be deafening

I just dont see him picking up enough points

There are games that are winnable certainly but not at the level or manner in which we are performing

currrent performances are indicative of a new regime and a change in playing style. we will get better.

we change how we play so players need time to adapt which is completely obvious and understandable.

I think roy has got his methods across and that all we are seeing now is the bedding in period. a different mentality to defending. heck different mentality to how we set ourselves up from front to back - the balance of defence and attack as well as how we look to spread the ball when in posession. its all changing - probably for the better imho.

he's starting with the defence which all good managers should do. if we can't win, at least dont lose. fine with that.

the issue now is that under rafa at his peak, we were a well drilled machine with players instinctively knowing what they ought to be doing. they have to retune those same instincts to roy's methods and until that happens, we're going to look pretty **** to be honest.

the one thing i will hang roy for - and think he'll get sacked because of - is this wierd inability to spot/act when a change is required during a game. its Freakily bad. i think fulham lost the uefa final because of this and we are and will suffer because of it too. he has some great options with us. ****ing well use them man.

this is his achillies heel and i also think the root of his shockingly p1ss poor away record. he sets his team up away to defend and counter. very italian and looking for that single point away from home. what he can't do is change when the home team is off form and go for the jugular and win an away match. hopefully we have the players capable of creating and taking more counterattacking chances which means his away record should improve. not because of him however.

Roy is simply not of the required standard for where we believe lfc ought to be / striving for. that was obvious 4 months ago and i cannot see how that will not prove true. the point is the board also no this and he's not here to get us to dominate club football. he's not a long term appointment. he'll have a go at it, steady the ship, win over some PR, not sue for 16mill if his transfer budget is swiped from under his nose etc etc. once we have proper new ownership, he'll be gone when the new man is ready. he is transitional.

[danperkins]

I think enough is enough. I've nearly posted this a few times already but keep reading sideswipes at other posters from the likes of Bob and little danperkins which has stopped me up to now. But leaving that squabbling aside...

F*ck it. I've never believed Hodgson is good enough and I don't believe it now. But he's the manager. The real problem is the owners and until they leave we're not going to have enough money to improve significantly enough and we're not going to get a better manager.

The time to consider his future is at the end of the season or when we get new (better) owners or if we're facing relegation (which I don't believe will happen), whichever comes soonest.

I think criticism is fine but we're stuck with him so we need to be as supportive as we can be. Not for his sake, but for the club's and ultimately for ourselves.

Side swipes my bollox!! But nice dig by you well done old timer , yez are just like a load of girls in the height of their periods.

Show some perspective,relax and give it another 7 or 8 league games, if he's still ****ing up by then you can get your knives back out and bitch and moan until the cows come home, and sure my little self might be a bit more sympathetic to your crusade.

[Fernandinho]

Side swipes my bollox!! But nice dig by you well done old timer , yez are just like a load of girls in the height of their periods.

Show some perspective,relax and give it another 7 or 8 league games, if he's still ****ing up by then you can get your knives back out and bitch and moan until the cows come home, and sure my little self might be a bit more sympathetic to your crusade.

Yes master

[danperkins]

Yes master

There's a good lad

[Fredo]

Side swipes my bollox!! But nice dig by you well done old timer , yez are just like a load of girls in the height of their periods.

Show some perspective,relax and give it another 7 or 8 league games, if he's still ****ing up by then you can get your knives back out and bitch and moan until the cows come home, and sure my little self might be a bit more sympathetic to your crusade.

You really grew with me after that speech man.