Evra accuses Suarez of racism

[Exiled_red]

Is it not possibly the preliminary investigation into the ccusations against Suarez revealed potential wrongdoing by Evra. The delay to give Suarez 'extra time to prepare his defence' was actually time for Evra to respond to charges at a dual hearing?

Presumably they would have announced the charges against Evra if there were any.

[Lecter]

pretty sure he was quite vocal in speaking out against Rafa.

He was certainly very critical of us supporters in wanting rid of Roy

I distinctly remember him tweeting in October 2010 that we were "idiots to want Roy out and that he would eat our words by December"

Barclay is a complete and utter ****ing tool

[McDermotX]

He was alright in Star Trek

[fah-q]

That's what Reece will look like when he's older.

[Kenneth]

The argument is not that racism is commonplace in South America, it's that what he said did not have any racist connotations. They will presumably have argued that adding a racial element to the charge would be an ignorant assumption based on the similarity to the English 'negro' and/or the way it translates literally rather than an understanding of what the usage connotes.

Of course, Evra's side can argue Suarez knew full well what it would be construed as. Or that not realising is no excuse.

And I'm saying it may not have racist connotations because it's not as culturally stigmatised. The use of a 'non racist' word to describe race when used in the context of insulting someone is still racist (I assume here that his comments were in some way derogatory overall). e.g you Afro-Caribbean idiot. The translation is pretty much irrelevant if whatever you settle on only applies to one race.

I'd also say that if he has admitted using the word negro, the onus is on Suarez to justify it's use, rather than Evra's representatives having to he knew.

This pretty much sums it up:

http://www.est1892.co.uk/forums/showpost.php?p=2124982&postcount=196

[TheElephantMan]

I'd also say that if he has admitted using the word negro, the onus is on Suarez to justify it's use, rather than Evra's representatives having to he knew.

As the word negro is simply Spanish for the word black I fail to see what is remotely racist about that? Do black people object to being referred to as black?

[Assassin]

If it is not allowable to refer to a person as Black or Negro, WTF are you supposed to say "The heavily tanned person"

This whole thing is just a ****ing farce. All because of some small jumped up cunt who has a problem with the colour of his own skin!!!

[Baracus]

Yes there are people who object to being called black, just like some asians who dislike it when someone calls them Brown and people from the far east who don't like being called yellow. Only white people don't mind being called white..maybe

[Kenneth]

The cultural norm is that you don't refer to a person's race when you are arguing with them, so it shouldn't really be an issue.

[TheElephantMan]

I don't think black people object to being called black at all, apart from Evra obviously. Music Of Black Origin - what's that if it's not a reference to music originating from Africa or the Caribbean? I have never heard a black person take offence by being referred to as black. If the word is preceded or succeeded by an offensive word then of course it's racist, but to refer to someone as black seems quite normal if they are indeed black.

[Baracus]

Some people don't like being labeled

[TheElephantMan]

Some people don't like being labeled

That is nonsense. Is it sexist to refer to someone's gender?

[Kenneth]

Obviously it depends on the context and whether it's relevant. Presumably, people don't refer to Music Of Black Origin purely because they think it's **** music.

[Baracus]

Its nonsense because you don't agree with the statement that some people don't being like labeled. I don't like being called a Manc as I live in Lancashire.

[Baracus]

At what point do you stop calling a black person a black person and mixed race. There are plenty of mixed race people, who look majority black.