Evra accuses Suarez of racism

[pondus]

Really hope Evra is selected for this one

[Craig_H]

So we draw them in the FA Cup at Anfield and....surprise surprise....

Liverpool and Manchester United to hold peace talks before FA Cup game

• Relations currently strained between Liverpool and United
• John Terry could face Anton Ferdinand if Chelsea meet QPR



Daniel Taylor
guardian.co.uk, Sunday 8 January 2012 20.48 GMT



Manchester United and Liverpool will hold peace talks over the next few weeks after being paired together in an FA Cup fourth-round draw that also throws up the possibility of John Terry's Chelsea playing at Queens Park Rangers only a few days before his court appearance for allegedly racially abusing Anton Ferdinand.

The draw will see United, who on Sunday knocked out the holders Manchester City in a dramatic and controversial 3-2 derby victory, go to Anfield at a time when the Luis Suárez affair has caused significant damage to the relationship between the two clubs and left Liverpool in a state of open conflict against the Football Association.

At the same time QPR, who announced on Sunday night that they had sacked Neil Warnock as manager, now know a win in their third‑round replay against MK Dons on 17 January will see them entertain Chelsea for the first time since Terry was charged with a racially aggravated public order offence over comments allegedly made to Ferdinand during the Premier League match at Loftus Road on 23 October. The fourth-round games will take place over the weekend of 28‑29 January, with Terry scheduled to appear before west London magistrates' court on 1 February.

This was the draw that the FA feared the most and raises the prospect of two of the key ties being played amid a strained and acrimonious backdrop. One of Liverpool's concerns, in particular, is that the bad feeling could lead to an increase in songs between rival supporters about the Munich and Hillsborough disasters. They are also concerned that Suárez will face chants that tar him as a racist. The Anfield club are so concerned they let it be known last week they wanted clear-the-air talks with United at some stage in the next month to discuss the best way to approach the league encounter at Old Trafford on 11 February.

That is likely to be Suárez's first away game after serving his eight-match ban for his use of the word "negro" during a row with Patrice Evra in the 1-1 draw at Anfield in October. The FA's ruling against Suárez and Liverpool's aggressively worded statements, effectively accusing Evra of concocting his allegations out of spite and stating that the case against their player was "highly subjective", has caused huge damage behind the scenes, and Sir Alex Ferguson was almost contemptuous when it was put to him on Friday that the Merseyside club were suggesting some form of high-level communication.

"It's nice of them to do it through the press," he said pointedly. "You would have thought they would have come to Manchester United. But I don't see why there is any need for that, to be honest."

Ferguson's prickliness can be explained by his grievances in the wake of Liverpool attacking Evra as "not credible", the lack of an apology for the United player and the apparent refusal at Anfield to accept the verdict of an independent commission led by Paul Goulding QC. Liverpool's stance remains the same and they also want to open discussions with the FA, but the hope was that they could do it quietly whereas the Cup draw seems certain to keep the Suárez case in the news.

United have privately accepted they will be open to an approach from Liverpool about improving relations and working on a joint strategy ahead of a game in which FA regulations state away clubs are allowed a 15% allocation of tickets. Liverpool reduced United's usual 3,000 allocation to 1,960 for October's game, citing problems of persistent standing and aisle-blocking at previous matches, but may be obliged to give them more than 6,000 tickets this time.

With tensions running so high, it threatens to be a logistical and security issue for both clubs, the FA and the Merseyside and Greater Manchester police. There is also the possibility that a fourth-round replay could lead to Suárez facing Evra and a hostile Old Trafford crowd twice within three or four days.

Similar difficulties will be experienced at Loftus Road after an episode that has left a tense relationship between the two sets of supporters. Chelsea have condemned the anti-Ferdinand chants that have been sung by a minority of supporters since their last meeting with QPR and there had been relief on both sides that their next league encounter was not until 28 April.

In the meantime Merseyside police have released a 20-year-old Merseyside man on bail, pending further inquiries, as they investigate the racial abuse the Oldham Athletic player Tom Adeyemi allegedly suffered at Anfield on Friday.

So when it comes to having talks for the good of defusing the situation, they dont want to know. But when we draw them in the cup and they're worried about their allocation, suddenly they 'accept' that they will be open to talks.

Cunts.

[pondus]

So we draw them in the FA Cup at Anfield and....surprise surprise....



So when it comes to having talks for the good of defusing the situation, they dont want to know. But when we draw them in the cup and they're worried about their allocation, suddenly they 'accept' that they will be open to talks.

Cunts.

I know hate is such a strong word and shouldn't be used in relation to football, but with these cunts...

[Exiled_red]

They didn't want discussion before

[BootRoom]

The FA's ruling against Suárez and Liverpool's aggressively worded statements, effectively accusing Evra of concocting his allegations out of spite and stating that the case against their player was "highly subjective", has caused huge damage behind the scenes, and Sir Alex Ferguson was almost contemptuous when it was put to him on Friday that the Merseyside club were suggesting some form of high-level communication.

"It's nice of them to do it through the press," he said pointedly. "You would have thought they would have come to Manchester United. But I don't see why there is any need for that, to be honest."

Ferguson's prickliness can be explained by his grievances in the wake of Liverpool attacking Evra as "not credible", the lack of an apology for the United player and the apparent refusal at Anfield to accept the verdict of an independent commission led by Paul Goulding QC. Liverpool's stance remains the same and they also want to open discussions with the FA, but the hope was that they could do it quietly whereas the Cup draw seems certain to keep the Suárez case in the news.

Daniel Taylor has got one of those drippy studenty faces that need a good slap, the brown-nosing cunt.

[Craig_H]

http://newsframes.wordpress.com/2012/01/06/media-on-racism-churnalism/

[baitman]

In training today Gerrard mistimed a tackle on Craig Bellamy and caught him right on the knee. Bellamy's knee started to swell up and quickly became heavily inflamed. As the rest of the squad gathered round Luis Suarez shouted - "Fook me! Look at that fooking knee grow!"

It was an unfortunate event, as Patrice Evra and Man Utd board members had just arrived at the training ground for reconciliation talks.

[Exiled_red]

http://newsframes.wordpress.com/2012...sm-churnalism/

Good article

[Sebastian Rooks]

http://newsframes.wordpress.com/2012...sm-churnalism/

Good article

It is very good, very interesting..

[Neil Young]

Daniel Taylor has got one of those drippy studenty faces that need a good slap, the brown-nosing cunt.

What the f*ck is a "studenty face"?

I just want to make sure I know the background when I tell my studenty son that there are prats around who make stupid comments.

[Nicey]

What the f*ck is a "studenty face"?

I just want to make sure I know the background when I tell my studenty son that there are prats around who make stupid comments.

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[JHP]

The disciplinary process for barristers found to contravene human rights. Wonder how the FA's would stand up http://m.guardian.co.uk/uk/2005/mar/...k&type=article

[Mostar]

Sorry if it was posted before but

[Gazmo1]

Sorry if it was posted before but

Pardon my ignorance? WHo is that?

[Nicey]

People really really ****ing need to know there is a big ****ing world out there with all kinds of wonderful languages ... not all ****ing English based with all kinds of cultures which are not like yours and if you give it the well hes in England now he needs to wise up you are no better than ****ing ignorant BMP skinheads in my books


Sweet Jesus this whole thing as annoyed the ****e out of me

Heres an article about a world famous drummer from S America ... he has black hair !!!

If someone told Torres (Blondie) to calm down would you ask for them to get banned for 8 matches because thats effectively what has happened here regardless of what those ****ing windbags in the papers want you to beleive ...

Horacio El Negro Hernandez

Horacio 'El Negro' Hernandez is regarded as one of the most talented drummers in the world. His contribution to music is immense, having recorded and performed with many bands and top class artists. This 1997 Grammy award winner has performed with music greats like McCoy Tyner, Michel Camilo, Carlos Santana, Stevie Winwood and notable Latin American ensembles, the Tropi-Jazz All Stars of the late Tito Puente.

Horacio Hernandez was born in 1963 in Havana Cuba. His love for music can be attributed to the music environment he grew around. His family had a strong background of music. His grandfather was a trumpeter who played in bands like the famous Septeto National. His father and brother were also great music lovers who would spend a lot of time listening to music. Since birth, Hernandez’s nick name has been El Negro or ‘the black’, a name is commonly identified with till today.

When El Negro was around 4 years old, he heard two notable Cuban drummers Enrique Pla of Irakere band and Tony Vadez who played with saxophonist Nicholas Reynoso, perform. The two left a lasting impression in the heart of this young boy. From that day on, El Negro vowed to be like them. At 14, El Negro joined a music school in Havana, but he was so interested in drums that he never attended any other class. He used to attend drum class from 8 in the morning till 8 in the night. After one year, he was not known to other teachers, but he had done a 4 years drums course in one year. The following year, he left school armed with skills to face any drumming challenges and started playing in night clubs in Havana. He later joined the National School of Arts in Havana, but still got time to play with the saxophonist Nicolas Reynoso, to whose band belonged also the pianist Gonzalo Rubalcaba.

But still El Negro wasn’t settled as a drummer. He was still hopping from one band to the other, till he got a chance to work for EGREM-Studios, one of the biggest groups of studios on Cuba as their studio drummer. This was such big chance to spice up his career, but he had to work had for it. He would spend as many as 20 hours moving from one studio to the other. He had to put a makeshift bed in the studio to take a quick nap when it was really necessary.


His hard work paid off and El Negro was invited to join the band led by Rubalcaba, the outstanding Cuban pianist, called Grupo Proyecto. He stayed with the group for ten years touring the world with the band. The band mostly toured the United States and Europe. His experience and expertise made him and Ignacio Berroa, another Cuban drummer do a lot of studio jobs, recording all their songs. They recorded a total of seven albums, which showcased El Negro’s unique ways of playing the drum. He was easily able to play the lead while mixing basic rhythms of Afro-cuban music.

El Negro was very familiar with American Jazz style and this became one of the reasons he could play many forms of music in Cuba. He admired the way jazz was played and received in U.S and so in 1990 he decided to go to the United States by applying for political asylum. His father’s friend Paquito D'Rivera, who had a band in New York encouraged El Negro’s father to send his son to the U.S. But El Negro was denied the visa unless he applied from another country. He therefore went to Italy to apply from there, but couldn’t get through from Rome either.

Later on Paquito D’Rivera called on jazz legend Dizzy Gillespie to help El Negro. El Negro almost got the visa but Dizzy died as the process went on so El Negro was stuck in Italy for two and half year. However, he did not cry over spilt milk and instead chose to keep on playing in Italy, doing gigs around Rome. In 1993, he was allowed to move to New York on condition that he would comply with the travel sanctions imposed on Cuba, so he had to turn down many offers of tours to South America. This however proved to be beneficial since he had a chance to increase his studio work and got a chance to play with jazz greats like Dave Valentin, Paquo Vazquez, Daniel Ponce, Ed Simon and Dizzy Gillespie’s United Nations Orchestra, this time under the leadership of Paquito D’Rivera. Later when travel restrictions were removed, Horacio 'El Negro' Hernandez toured freely and did great work with various bands in Cuba and U.S notable among many was work with Michel Camilo and Kip Hanrahan's “Deep Rumba” project. He also played for the album “Supernatural”of Carlos Santana, which brought him his first Grammy Award.

El Negro is currently the leader of Italuba, his own Latin Jazz ensemble, as composer and drummer. He has also produced several instructional books and videos.