Evra accuses Suarez of racism

[Chazza]

My cousin, a United fan on FB

"It's always good to celebrate in front of racists scumbags.no disrespect to Liverpool Fred,but I freakin hate Suarez,hated him before he joined u guys."

FFS.

I ditched one of my close mates (Manc) off facebook yesterday after he come out with some bollocks about small time club, small time mentality, bunch of racists etc

Felt quite liberating

[pondus]

When is the Uruguay-France match beeing played? Could be interesting.

[Drew Peacock]

It's a media frenzy - whipped up to sell papers and subscriptions - see through it, whilst I agree that it has not done the reputation of the club any good, at the end of the day it is Lius's decision and if Evra managed to get Suarez an unjust 8 game ban, then he is totally within his rights not to shake his hand and I would support him 100% in that decision.

As for SAF saying that Liverpool should sell him, I doubt that SAF would have been too pleased if someone at LFC had suggested the same thing when Cantona drop kicked a Palace fan - who would benefit? in fact who has benefitted from all of this? and WHO started the ball rolling? SAF

[BrooklynRed]

I have had an impossible time with this is in my own head for the past 24 hours. The fact is, there are my fellow Liverpool supporters who believe, deep down and truly, the following to be true:

1. Luis Suarez is not a racist and never made racist comments to Patrice Evra
2. Evra and the outraged English press did not understand the meaning or context of Suarez's words
3. That those who would take this misunderstanding and turn it into an 8-game ban and a witch hunt, with our most bitter rivals leading the way, are being dishonest with a man's character
4. That the national press are far more interested in sensationalism than telling a reasonable story
5. That Alex Ferguson and Patrice Evra have attempted to turn this into a competitive advantage for Man United by overstating what has happened and, in the case of Evra, milking and gaming this situation in order to further humiliate Suarez who, in my opinion, was never guilty of anything anyway
6. That by stating these things, you're branded a blind club supporter at best, racist at worst

I don't mean to overstate this, but it must feel like a Kafkan nightmare for Suarez and Kenny-- when your honest and truly held understanding of a situation is blown into this level of falsehood and hysteria, there is no right answer. Shaking Evra's hand, in that situation, must feel like an admission of guilt, which isn't too far off; I would be loathe to shake the hand of a man I believed falsely accused me of something that has destroyed my reputation.

The fact is, I believe all of the above to be true, not because I believe everything at LFC is beyond public reproach, but because to my critical eye, this is what is going on.

As such, I would be very disappointed in the club if they bowed to public pressure and did not stand behind the facts of the case. Whenever someone is accused of a crime like racism, the impulse for anyone in the discussion to avoid saying anything that might make them seem racist is overwhelming; I truly believe that, in this case, the false indignation and outrage (not to mention that exploitative actions of people like Daniel Taylor, Ferguson and Evra himself) have only served to amplify this situation into a farce.

[doogle]

Just blank it all out. I ain't going on Twitter, Facebook, watching SSN, looking at the BBC or any media outlets. They think they're important, they think they set agendas. They're absolutely worthless if you blank it. I ain't going near any of the above for weeks. Just staying on here among my brethren. **** the rest.

[fred_plasticine]

playing devil's advocate here:
the view from outside is plain simple: suarez racially abused evra who wouldn't stand for it and complained to the authority who then set up an independent panel who, after thouroghly investigating the case, subsequently find suarez guilty as charged.
suarez then refuses to shake hands with the person that he abused.
now, can you honestly not see why it's such a big deal? how would you react if it was the other way round?

[destinydude]

Yea I'm staying away from it too. I was downright pissed after that cnut of an article from that terrible pathetic excuse of a human being called Daniel Taylor.

[RichC]

and that is part of the problem, the media have in general painted Suarez (wrongly) as a racist and of course are going to paint him as the villan again.

Impossible position really now the handshake didn't take place, whoevers fault it was it's going to be Suarez as the bad guy again and LFC as in the wrong for backing him.

[Muddled]

playing devil's advocate here:
the view from outside is plain simple: suarez racially abused evra who wouldn't stand for it and complained to the authority who then set up an independent panel who, after thouroghly investigating the case, subsequently find suarez guilty as charged.
suarez then refuses to shake hands with the person that he abused.
now, can you honestly not see why it's such a big deal? how would you react if it was the other way round?

Yup, the outside looking in has been told that by the media.

We've been educated by reading a host of articles from Uruguay, law experts etc etc - somebody who doesn't follow Liverpool isn't going to go to that length to educate themselves on the details.

What they read, is what they believe - which I guess leads us to James' post.

[BrooklynRed]

playing devil's advocate here:
the view from outside is plain simple: suarez racially abused evra who wouldn't stand for it and complained to the authority who then set up an independent panel who, after thouroghly investigating the case, subsequently find suarez guilty as charged.
suarez then refuses to shake hands with the person that he abused.
now, can you honestly not see why it's such a big deal? how would you react if it was the other way round?

I think this is a fair representation of the common view and I understand that POV. I don't blame other people for taking the available information and coming to this conclusion; I really don't.

So, as someone who is vehemently against racism and who would never tolerate it in my own life, I am feeling a bit shaken as to why I find this same set of information to mean something completely different. I am not a person who considers myself to be blindly loyal to LFC or Luis Suarez-- If I believed that Luis Suarez had made racist jibes at Evra, I'd be done with him. If I felt Kenny was backing a racist in order to close ranks at the club, I'd be outraged. I don't have a persecution complex, I'm not from Liverpool, I don't have any sense of English identity, etc.

So, why do the majority feel one way and I feel another? I'm truly confused.

[Nicey]

Tell me about that European Suoer Lg again ?

[Vermilion]

I have had an impossible time with this is in my own head for the past 24 hours. The fact is, there are my fellow Liverpool supporters who believe, deep down and truly, the following to be true:

1. Luis Suarez is not a racist and never made racist comments to Patrice Evra
2. Evra and the outraged English press did not understand the meaning or context of Suarez's words
3. That those who would take this misunderstanding and turn it into an 8-game ban and a witch hunt, with our most bitter rivals leading the way, are being dishonest with a man's character
4. That the national press are far more interested in sensationalism than telling a reasonable story
5. That Alex Ferguson and Patrice Evra have attempted to turn this into a competitive advantage for Man United by overstating what has happened and, in the case of Evra, milking and gaming this situation in order to further humiliate Suarez who, in my opinion, was never guilty of anything anyway
6. That by stating these things, you're branded a blind club supporter at best, racist at worst

I don't mean to overstate this, but it must feel like a Kafkan nightmare for Suarez and Kenny-- when your honest and truly held understanding of a situation is blown into this level of falsehood and hysteria, there is no right answer. Shaking Evra's hand, in that situation, must feel like an admission of guilt, which isn't too far off; I would be loathe to shake the hand of a man I believed falsely accused me of something that has destroyed my reputation.

The fact is, I believe all of the above to be true, not because I believe everything at LFC is beyond public reproach, but because to my critical eye, this is what is going on.

As such, I would be very disappointed in the club if they bowed to public pressure and did not stand behind the facts of the case. Whenever someone is accused of a crime like racism, the impulse for anyone in the discussion to avoid saying anything that might make them seem racist is overwhelming; I truly believe that, in this case, the false indignation and outrage (not to mention that exploitative actions of people like Daniel Taylor, Ferguson and Evra himself) have only served to amplify this situation into a farce.

Spot. On.

[Exiled_red]

playing devil's advocate here:
the view from outside is plain simple: suarez racially abused evra who wouldn't stand for it and complained to the authority who then set up an independent panel who, after thouroghly investigating the case, subsequently find suarez guilty as charged.
suarez then refuses to shake hands with the person that he abused.
now, can you honestly not see why it's such a big deal? how would you react if it was the other way round?

That may be true, but you only have to change 1 factor in all this for the exact opposite to be true and instead of Evra being the victim Suarez is the victim and everything he did is understandable and everything Evra did is dispicable.

The whole case boils down to which version of events you believe from the initial incident.The FA assumed one version was 100% true and the other 100% false, this was the wrong thing to do and this entire situation has IMO resulted from this.

[Exiled_red]

I have had an impossible time with this is in my own head for the past 24 hours. The fact is, there are my fellow Liverpool supporters who believe, deep down and truly, the following to be true:

1. Luis Suarez is not a racist and never made racist comments to Patrice Evra
2. Evra and the outraged English press did not understand the meaning or context of Suarez's words
3. That those who would take this misunderstanding and turn it into an 8-game ban and a witch hunt, with our most bitter rivals leading the way, are being dishonest with a man's character
4. That the national press are far more interested in sensationalism than telling a reasonable story
5. That Alex Ferguson and Patrice Evra have attempted to turn this into a competitive advantage for Man United by overstating what has happened and, in the case of Evra, milking and gaming this situation in order to further humiliate Suarez who, in my opinion, was never guilty of anything anyway
6. That by stating these things, you're branded a blind club supporter at best, racist at worst

I don't mean to overstate this, but it must feel like a Kafkan nightmare for Suarez and Kenny-- when your honest and truly held understanding of a situation is blown into this level of falsehood and hysteria, there is no right answer. Shaking Evra's hand, in that situation, must feel like an admission of guilt, which isn't too far off; I would be loathe to shake the hand of a man I believed falsely accused me of something that has destroyed my reputation.

The fact is, I believe all of the above to be true, not because I believe everything at LFC is beyond public reproach, but because to my critical eye, this is what is going on.

As such, I would be very disappointed in the club if they bowed to public pressure and did not stand behind the facts of the case. Whenever someone is accused of a crime like racism, the impulse for anyone in the discussion to avoid saying anything that might make them seem racist is overwhelming; I truly believe that, in this case, the false indignation and outrage (not to mention that exploitative actions of people like Daniel Taylor, Ferguson and Evra himself) have only served to amplify this situation into a farce.

[Fredo]

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