Our style of play

[Doc_Piptorious]

Completely agree with this but on the flip side history tells us that Gomez, Keita, Ox, Matip & Shaq are very injury prone and cannot be relied upon over a full season. Surely Klopp and the backroom staff knew this?

But I do agree if these were match fit and sharp we would be lagging as much. Unfortunately we are never going to be able to rely fully upon any of these players & they should be moved on if they are not providing value for money.

To be fair four of the five you named are those I said were the injury prone back up brigade.

I do think that we are finding ourselves in a position where we are getting close to a lot of our first teamers aging as a unit plus needing an overhaul of the back up options.


For me I would be looking at enhancing as many back up options as we can this season and getting in players with a history of durability/lack of injuries.

Of course that is easier said that done as some of our injury prone players were never quite as injury prone before they joined us.

[danperkins]

To be fair four of the five you named are those I said were the injury prone back up brigade.

I do think that we are finding ourselves in a position where we are getting close to a lot of our first teamers aging as a unit plus needing an overhaul of the back up options.


For me I would be looking at enhancing as many back up options as we can this season and getting in players with a history of durability/lack of injuries.

Of course that is easier said that done as some of our injury prone players were never quite as injury prone before they joined us.

so true, I suppose it all stems from getting Dr Harold Shipman onto the medical team. Been nothing but bad news since the fella arrived.

But yeah I agree with everything you're saying, enough with these injury prone lads. The are a waste of a wage and are providing zero value for money. What's the point in having a 'strong bench' when the lads on the bench are injured all the time. Pointless.

[baitman]

Just too one dimensional and no variations to our approach play.
A 3 man midfield when we are full strength is just about enough but when we are playing replacements for the replacements in defence, the midfield is so easily bypassed too.
Our brilliant front three have papered over the cracks for a couple of years but now its all starting to peel off.
How long will klopp persist in the same formation and high line but without the personnel to be more able to implement the pressing game.
The tv analysis and other teams scouts have now blown our secrets, teams come better prepared than before yet we still blindly go repeating the same mistakes.

[BobTheCharmer]

We'll be back to our best soon. Bar scoring, we aren't doing too many things wrong. Relax people.

This aged well

[Kenneth]

If nothing else, today said to me that Fab should be in midfield whenever he is available to play.

[BobTheCharmer]

If nothing else, today said to me that Fab should be in midfield whenever he is available to play.

He'll be back starting at centre back soon enough.

[danperkins]

If nothing else, today said to me that Fab should be in midfield whenever he is available to play.

this, at all costs he should be in midfield. Whatever it takes to get that midfield and front line back firing. I fear though Klopp will put him straight back into the defence vs Leipzig.

[Irishnev]

this, at all costs he should be in midfield. Whatever it takes to get that midfield and front line back firing. I fear though Klopp will put him straight back into the defence vs Leipzig.

Vs Leipzig I can understand as we have something to protect - he is still our best defender even though the midfield is so much worse without him. For league games where it doesn’t matter then play him in midfield

[BG1973]

He'll be back starting at centre back soon enough.

How come?

[S-RED]

If anything today showed why we need FAB at CH; i desperately want him back in midfield but R Williams was awful yesterday; ball watching, out of position, losing his man.

Phillips covered for him so much & TBH Fulham are pony upfront, imagine what a decent forward would do against him.

Don't want to slate Rhys but until he has a VVD, Matip, Gomez talking him thru a game i don't think he can play in bigger games

[Exiled_red]

If anything today showed why we need FAB at CH; i desperately want him back in midfield but R Williams was awful yesterday; ball watching, out of position, losing his man.

Phillips covered for him so much & TBH Fulham are pony upfront, imagine what a decent forward would do against him.

Don't want to slate Rhys but until he has a VVD, Matip, Gomez talking him thru a game i don't think he can play in bigger games

To be fair though Williams is about 9th choice (VVD, Gomez, Matip, Kabak, Henderson, Fabinho, Phillips and Davies are all ahead of him). With all due respect to Williams a partnership of two from Phillips, Kabak and Davies should be better. Until we have tested those Fabinho should play in midfield IMO.

[kev776]

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[Fredo]

A lot of our players are going through a crisis of confidence at the moment, especially at home. Our last few away games we've been not too far from our old selves, but at home, it's like night and day. We are taking too long on the ball and our play is predictable as we are taking the safer option.

It's a challenge for Klopp and the backroom staff in the sense that it seems to be all in the head at the moment, players not producing at home. It's not something that can be flicked like a switch and that we just get back.

[Tribute]

A lot of our players are going through a crisis of confidence at the moment, especially at home. Our last few away games we've been not too far from our old selves, but at home, it's like night and day. We are taking too long on the ball and our play is predictable as we are taking the safer option.

It's a challenge for Klopp and the backroom staff in the sense that it seems to be all in the head at the moment, players not producing at home. It's not something that can be flicked like a switch and that we just get back.

This 'safe style of play' is the red herring for me... players, as you say, are retracting into doing the safe thing thinking it will change their fortunes when actually all it's doing is making us easier to set up against.

The mental fatigue is why we're not 'at it' at all... can't seem to raise our motivations to the high press or intensity that we've seen before - and that's for a host of factors such as injuries, Covid, lack of fans, VAR, poor results, etc... and we're seeing a team that has almost forgotten how to win.

Klopp needs to sit them down and do a reset. What did he first say to them when he arrived, what did they stop doing and start doing. What did they do that was new. He needs to inspire and coach again, be challenging enough to provoke a personal and team reaction. A bit like Jose's 'siege mentality' but with more panache and a proper game plan.

Every player has said they'd run through a brick wall for him in the past... they wouldn't run for 45 minutes now... He needs to prod and poke the individuals to get a reaction.. a positive reaction... and to light the fire in the bellies again. We've seen them when they're riled up and they're almost unstoppable.. Jurgen needs to get them to think back to those early days and how they built momentum and results from that starting point...

We, as fans, have to believe again... frustrating as it is not being in the stadium with them.. but somehow they need to know it's Istanbul, we're three nil down against Milan and we're still singing....

[Norbs]

Intensity

I'm starting to worry that this is the final throws of Kloppball and that the team has burnt out. He desperately needed reinforcements to the squad which he didn't get and the result of that has been pretty catastrophic.

Did anything like this happen at Dortmund? I know there was a sudden and rapid drop off there but don't know there was a similar pattern with multiple player injuries.

Does a Klopp team have a limited lifespan, have we come to the end of ours?