Arne Slot

[Exiled_red]

@ exile re Jota, personally I don't think it's got anything to do with it.

It has to be a factor, One of my best mates died unexpectedly in the summer too, there are still times where I am overwhelmed just thinking about it. It certainly affects me by differing amounts at different times, and I don't have constant reminders of him at work but it is having an impact my performance at work an I am not an elite athlete where that extra 1% makes a difference. They may have had better support but they are only human I don't see how it doesn't affect them.

How much it is a factor in the results and performances is impossible to tell, clearly there are other factors too some of which I mentioned

[Norbs]

I agree with what you’re saying, but last night proved it’s not just tactics or systems or recruitment. Those things matter, sure, but they don’t excuse players jogging back, switching off, or showing zero desire. You can have the perfect system in the world and it still collapses if half the team can’t be bothered to put a shift in. Defensive personnel and signings are an issue, but the bare minimum is effort, intensity and pride in the shirt. That part is 100% on the players, and too many of them are hiding behind excuses.

Depends on how much they are compliant with the coaching that's given to them, they may just be following instructions. Not to be lazy but to fall in to position, choose safe passes and retain possession at all costs.

The logical explanation is they've downed tools, but it's a big worry if it's being lead by our most senior players

[Buzzo]

It has to be a factor, One of my best mates died unexpectedly in the summer too, there are still times where I am overwhelmed just thinking about it. It certainly affects me by differing amounts at different times, and I don't have constant reminders of him at work but it is having an impact my performance at work an I am not an elite athlete where that extra 1% makes a difference. They may have had better support but they are only human I don't see how it doesn't affect them.

How much it is a factor in the results and performances is impossible to tell, clearly there are other factors too some of which I mentioned

One of many factors for sure, and possibly the catalyst.

[Slinky Skills]

If you don't want to play for the Manager that's one thing but you absolutely should not be downing tools for the club, and that appears to be what they're doing (Szobozlai apart).

[Mark79]

@ exile re Jota, personally I don't think it's got anything to do with it.

There is absolutely no way that it hasn’t had a significant impact.

[ronanm]

If you don't want to play for the Manager that's one thing but you absolutely should not be downing tools for the club, and that appears to be what they're doing (Szobozlai apart).

Hard to know. Jones was pretty honest post match. I don't think the players know how to get out of it. Vvd seems like he is cruising thru season.

[BG1973]

There is absolutely no way that it hasn’t had a significant impact.

I don't see it.
Unless the extra weight has impacted Slot.

[Sus]

Hard to know. Jones was pretty honest post match. I don't think the players know how to get out of it. Vvd seems like he is cruising thru season.

What did Jones say?

[badpiggy]

Jota's death doesn't have to effect everyone or even very many of the players to have an effect on the team as a performing whole. Add into that the sales of Diaz and Darwin, the introduction of a whatever Isak (not sure how to describe him but there's something about his entire exit from Newcastle that now bothers me) and also Ekitike, who under normal circumstances seems like the sort of player who should lift a team with his workrate etc, and you have a totally obliterated front line.

And that's not to mention the dysfunction that exists between Gakpo and Kerkez, offensively and how lost Kerkez seems defensively. He's definitely forcing it. He seems to have one mode and if that's not working he tries it harder. And then throw in Wirtz who clearly needs time to adapt to the prem

Of course, none of that explains what the absolute **** is happening defensively. Why the absolute **** did we sell Quansah? He was a learning CB for god's sake - they always make mistakes and grow from it. If it's a legs question, why the **** is Salah in the team but not Endo? Is Gomez not being played to avoid him getting injured? What the **** does that even mean? Why are Szobozlai and Chiesa (shameful treatment) running around like maniacs but no one else is? It's all wildly disjointed and it seems like it's spiraling out of Slot's control. A reset here needs big calls - drop ****ing Salah - but the amount of things that have gone wrong makes me think the current manager can't bring it all back.

And I'm wary of bringing Klopp back. I've often thought that LFC is cursed by sentimentality and I worry that going back to Jurgen us exactly that. And yet it seems like a lot of what needs to be done is emotional from team unity to putting the absolute ****s up the players.

[Doc_Piptorious]

It has to be a factor, One of my best mates died unexpectedly in the summer too, there are still times where I am overwhelmed just thinking about it. It certainly affects me by differing amounts at different times, and I don't have constant reminders of him at work but it is having an impact my performance at work an I am not an elite athlete where that extra 1% makes a difference. They may have had better support but they are only human I don't see how it doesn't affect them.

How much it is a factor in the results and performances is impossible to tell, clearly there are other factors too some of which I mentioned

First of all, sorry for your loss, ER.


Secondly all that is spot on imo. Not only do they have the impact of the loss, they are having it follow them every single day they go to work. Whether they are at the training ground or at Anfield it is there.

And then during games on the 20th minutes, the reminders of their loss is there home or away.

Another possible factor imo is that the loss of Jota may be the very first big loss/death that many of them will have had to deal with as adults. The first big loss where they are front and centre and maybe being expected to be the ones that handle the loss rather than being younger and having family members or whomever being the pillars.

The passing of Jota is very much their loss. It is the loss of a pal, a brother, a best friend all rolled into one and the only people they can really have a shared loss experience with are the people they have to go do a job with.

Sure they can speak to professionals, they can speak to their families at home, but the people that are going through the same loss as them are being expected, as they are themselves, to go about the work side of things.

They cannot retreat from the grief and take a moment, they cannot escape the reminders and they cannot imo get the time to allow the mental wounds to start to scab over.

The new guys then come into that enviroment and after a while it has to have an impact.

Slot and his team I reckon had to have been impacted too. Sure many of the players knew Jota for longer but Slot still spent a year around Jota and you can get to know a person well in a year.

We can go on about set ups and tactics , I know I have, and we are not wrong to say there are some baffling decisions being made again and again on that front, however we also have a group that are going through grief in a pretty unique manner and imo how they are going through it is in a way that is either stalling or slowing the process of being able to accept the loss, push on from it, dull the pain of it.

[ronanm]

What did Jones say?

http://https://youtu.be/rNYfhQTTFIw?si=LiCbyJCnGXrJ92mn

[labourRed]

[ame]https://www.twitter.com/BayernSpace/status/1993060801100571036[/ame]

[Kenneth]

http://https://youtu.be/rNYfhQTTFIw?si=LiCbyJCnGXrJ92mn

Wow. I get it, but it says that all is not well within the squad.

[Kenneth]

https://www.twitter.com/BayernSpace/...60801100571036

Encouraging, but likely horse****.

[DerKrampus]

It has to be a factor, One of my best mates died unexpectedly in the summer too, there are still times where I am overwhelmed just thinking about it. It certainly affects me by differing amounts at different times, and I don't have constant reminders of him at work but it is having an impact my performance at work an I am not an elite athlete where that extra 1% makes a difference. They may have had better support but they are only human I don't see how it doesn't affect them.

How much it is a factor in the results and performances is impossible to tell, clearly there are other factors too some of which I mentioned

It doesn't stop them from running though does it?

Plus the system is ****e, zero runners, slowing it down, taking the safe option etc..

Looks at Olympiakos against Real, they put in early balls, made runs from deep etc. We could do that and create a bit more havoc. It's probably why Nunez's form fell off a cliff too - we weren't playing to his strengths either. It's why Ekitike and Isak will be flops unless we attack with more speed and commitment.