Lucas

[Roboklopp]

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2010/07/14/hands-off-liverpool-fc-warn-suitors-away-from-midfield-ace-lucas-100252-26848261/

[Scratch]

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liver...0252-26848261/

If Mascher is so desperate for a move, as his agent implies, why does he not hand in a transfer request?

[dww]

If Mascher is so desperate for a move, as his agent implies, why does he not hand in a transfer request?

Do transfer requests have any formal/legal form or is it just a journalistic invention? If they do is it necessary for them to be made public?

I'm led to believe that there is some sort of standard form contract that most footballers in the PL are signed on (by the Guardian law podcast, so it must be true ) so I guess they might make specific provision for a player asking for a transfer.

Depending on the legal/financial implications there are lots of conceivable reasons but he may also feel that doing so would burn his bridges with the fans if he ends up staying here.

[The Birdman]

Do transfer requests have any formal/legal form or is it just a journalistic invention? If they do is it necessary for them to be made public?

I'm led to believe that there is some sort of standard form contract that most footballers in the PL are signed on (by the Guardian law podcast, so it must be true ) so I guess they might make specific provision for a player asking for a transfer.

Depending on the legal/financial implications there are lots of conceivable reasons but he may also feel that doing so would burn his bridges with the fans if he ends up staying here.

There are 2 types of transfer requests in football verbal and written, a verbal transfer request means the player (Mascher for example) is still entitled to a negotiated pay off from us if and when he moves because of his outstanding contract.
If he were to submit a written transfer request then we aren't entitled to pay him anything from his contract with us when or after he leaves.

They don't need to be made public, like most things in football those involved think the less the fans know the better hence no transparacy with a lot of transfers amounts and where the actual money goes (naming no names Harry Redknapp)

[Kenneth]

There are 2 types of transfer requests in football verbal and written, a verbal transfer request means the player (Mascher for example) is still entitled to a negotiated pay off from us if and when he moves because of his outstanding contract.
If he were to submit a written transfer request then we aren't entitled to pay him anything from his contract with us when or after he leaves.

They don't need to be made public, like most things in football those involved think the less the fans know the better hence no transparacy with a lot of transfers amounts and where the actual money goes (naming no names Harry Redknapp)

That is my understanding also.

[The Birdman]

1 of figuero or twaino,
1 of silva or flamini

total purchase under 12 and all 4 better players imo.

Neither of those 4 are 'homegrown' which has a knock on effect with the rest of our squad.
Figeroua had one average season and scored a wonder goal, Chimbonda had one good season at Wigan and look what happened there. Twaino hasn't even had that yet in the PL.
Gilberto Silva (I presume that's who you are talking about) wasn't good enough for Arsenal 3 seasons ago seeing as Wenger let him go and he's got to be 33/34 now so hardly a step forward.
Flamini also had just the 1 good season which suspisciously conincided with him becoming a free agent at the end of it and has done nothing at Milan since.

Insua had 1 average season in a high profile club in turmoil which was his 1st full season in the PL as a 21 year old. Lucas was one of our better players last season and showed real promise when the reigns came off and he started getting into the box more in the last 10 games or so.

We should only sell if we can guarantee (near as possible) that the replacements will be better.

[Roboklopp]

All true Birdman- plus there's still the cost of replacing their replacements in a year or 2 cos they are in general much older. It really is false economy- at least with the muted replacements anyway.

[RedReet]

I agree in principle, and I also agree that in an ideal world he would be worth having in the squad. However, given our current situation we have to be realistic in that we don't have the luxury of having highly paid international players as squad players. If Lucas stays I imagine he would have to be first choice, which is no good.

If we have x amount of money already and we need to sell Lucas to raise enough to buy a decent replacement then we should do so, even if it doesn't give us a huge profit on him.

I think Lucas probably will end up doing okay elsewhere eventually as it happens, but I don't see him doing it for us. Maybe in different circumstances he would have done



Insua is another one who I would ideally want to see stay as back up as he might improve, but again I don't think it is possible. I am also intrigued to see if Woy can achieve something that Benitez never managed - buying a decent left back.

So what exactly is this highly paid International earning if you don't mind me asking?

And Aurelio was a very good LB, just unfortunate with injuries. LB has been a curse at this club for a long time, not just with Rafa.

[Scratch]

So what exactly is this highly paid International earning if you don't mind me asking?

And Aurelio was a very good LB, just unfortunate with injuries. LB has been a curse at this club for a long time, not just with Rafa.

It may go against the grain, but i think JAR was a class LB for the most part, bar the final season really.

[DannyMan2006]

It may go against the grain, but i think JAR was a class LB for the most part, bar the final season really.

Yup.

[lickedlollipop]

Liverpool's Brazilian midfielder Lucas Leiva has been thrown an Anfield lifeline after new manager Roy Hodgson assured him he still has a future at the club.
Full story: Daily Mail

[DannyMan2006]

Personally, if Insua and Lucas both stay I will not be upset. Both I think will get better and there are worse players than those two I would rather be rid of.

I would only conisider selling either for a decent fee, which would allow us to bring someone better in. If we don't get these fees, I'm happy for them to stay. My only request and hope is that neither are guaranteed first team starters as they were last season. We need to be in a position of having them as back up and bringing them through gradually, this would keep them out the firing line so much and keep the critics at bay.

[meffin]

Even if we got the whole fee to go into the transfer kitty - £54m and not a penny less.

He's a world class player and in this day and age, world class players cost a fortune. Ronaldo went for £80, Kaka for £60m, Torres being spoken at £70m. ****ing Milner quoted at £28m.

So if someone wants to buy Lucas, they can pay £54m or **** off.

Are you joking? He really, really, REALLY isnt anything like world class. He is average at very best. Replacing xabi (a real world class player) with lucas made a huge difference in our team last season.

Id snap their hand off for as little as 6 million quid

[DannyMan2006]

Are you joking? He really, really, REALLY isnt anything like world class. He is average at very best. Replacing xabi (a real world class player) with lucas made a huge difference in our team last season.

Id snap their hand off for as little as 6 million quid

He was joking mate.

[Richey]

So what exactly is this highly paid International earning if you don't mind me asking?

And Aurelio was a very good LB, just unfortunate with injuries. LB has been a curse at this club for a long time, not just with Rafa.

I don't know the details of Lucas's contract anymore than you do but I doubt he is playing for free!

Aurelio is a good footballer when he is fit, but as he is never fit that makes him too unreliable as a first choice and completely useless as a back up.

Riise was a very good left back. Even Zeige, Bjornebye and pretty much any other left back we have had were better than Dossena (who was also our most expensive left back ever I believe)