Jordan Henderson

[MrMichael]

Both are equally poor judgement

Either way the money is wasted - that is the point

That's nonsense Lecter, really it is. The amount of money wasted is vastly different so it is not a like for like comparison.

£20m for Downing was one of the most criminal pieces of poor transfer judgement in the history of football. There wasn't a fan alive who thought that was a good deal at the time. We will doubtless lose more selling him than Borini even cost. We'd bite the hand off anyone offering us £8m I'm sure.

Spending £11m on a 21yr old Italian international who had scored at a good rate in serie A the previous year, a player who the new manager had worked with before, and a player who might well not have showed us all he is capable of so far, is nowhere near "equally poor" judgement. If we sell Borini in the summer we'll lose a few mill tops, it'll just be a normal transfer that didn't work out. The sort any manager has plenty of. Downing (along with Carroll also) were abberations on an entirely different scale from that.

And in an effort to be back on topic, Henderson I'd see as a much fairer comparison to Borini, if even more obviously a bit too expensive. Starting to look better now in patches after a pretty difficult first season. Still need to see more though personally to believe he has a long term future in our midfield.

[Sarb]

Lecter must have been jilted in love for Joe Allen. Its the only explanation for the frankly outright hatred he has for him.

Constantlly played? Yeah, course he has

[Fosterbloke]

I wonder if Man Utd had similar forum conversations about Diego Forlan when he couldn't hit a barn door?

[AnfieldForever]

What's so funny?

The post that I quoted, thought that was obvious?

[Lecter]

That's nonsense Lecter, really it is. The amount of money wasted is vastly different so it is not a like for like comparison.

£20m for Downing was one of the most criminal pieces of poor transfer judgement in the history of football. There wasn't a fan alive who thought that was a good deal at the time. We will doubtless lose more selling him than Borini even cost. We'd bite the hand off anyone offering us £8m I'm sure.

Spending £11m on a 21yr old Italian international who had scored at a good rate in serie A the previous year, a player who the new manager had worked with before, and a player who might well not have showed us all he is capable of so far, is nowhere near "equally poor" judgement. If we sell Borini in the summer we'll lose a few mill tops, it'll just be a normal transfer that didn't work out. The sort any manager has plenty of. Downing (along with Carroll also) were abberations on an entirely different scale from that.

And in an effort to be back on topic, Henderson I'd see as a much fairer comparison to Borini, if even more obviously a bit too expensive. Starting to look better now in patches after a pretty difficult first season. Still need to see more though personally to believe he has a long term future in our midfield.

I remember similar comments about how Aquilani wouldnt turn out to be a bad transfer because we'd make money back on him

We will lose big money on Borini

[Lecter]

Didnt Allen win Wales's international player of the year ahead of Bale and Ramsey?

I just dont get the outraged criticism of our players, Henderson last year, Lucas the year before, Allen this year.

Whatever happened to giving players time to settle in?
Not every player hits the ground running and is excellent all throughout their 1st season.

I was never overly criticial of either Henderson or Lucas though

[The Birdman]

I was never overly criticial of either Henderson or Lucas though

Wasnt refering directly to you Lec, just the general blanket criticism week in week out.
Man C took 3 or so years and they threw hidious amounts of money in fees and wages.
We're in for a long rocky recovery, if fans dont like or understand that they had better find another club to support

[Lecter]

Wasnt refering directly to you Lec, just the general blanket criticism week in week out.
Man C took 3 or so years and they threw hidious amounts of money in fees and wages.
We're in for a long rocky recovery, if fans dont like or understand that they had better find another club to support

We are not City though we cant afford that many mistakes

We are barely treading water this season, and thats a concern

[RichC]

We are not City though we cant afford that many mistakes

We are barely treading water this season, and thats a concern

Do you think another manager would be doing better and if so who?

[DannyMan2006]

We won't lose big money on Borini, as he is on very low wages. We couldn't move Aquilani on because he was on massive wages.

Borini was only given wages that reflect his true value, whilst Aquilani was given massive wages he was not worth.

I think we could get a minimum of £5m for Borini. We'd still lose money, but not exactly Aquilani is it?

[Maxiedge]

Good performance last night but I won't be eating my words until he starts producing consistently.

I think we've been dogged by too many players not performing week in, week out and it's time to start getting a bit tougher on those.

Looked a different player to the first leg. He was really awful in that.

His cushioned pass to Enrique last night was class.

[Nick77]

Good performance last night but I won't be eating my words until he starts producing consistently.

I think we've been dogged by too many players not performing week in, week out and it's time to start getting a bit tougher on those.

Looked a different player to the first leg. He was really awful in that.

His cushioned pass to Enrique last night was class.

Hell of a lot more consistent & way better than Joe 'Xavi' Allen!

[Mattshark]

Jordan went to see Justin Bieber last night.




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[Alex]

Have you changed your opinion on him Matt? He must be doing some to win you round by now?

[Catrin]

Do you think another manager would be doing better and if so who?

Rafa Benitez. You did ask.