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  • danperkins
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    Originally posted by Exiled_red View Post
    Yeah but we will be starting the season with what is essentially a completely new midfield none of whom will have played together before this preseason, having a unit that understands one another is what you need to hit the ground running, failing that players with experience in there are key, we will have neither.

    Like them or not Henderson and Milner where huge characters and the leaders of the squad, those other guys might have experience at the club or with their national side, but the fact is at LFC they have always been able to 'hide' behind Henderson or Milner, if they go, there is nowhere to hide, they have to step up, it's a different dynamic which will take some getting used to as a team, and requires them to sink or swim as leaders of this side...
    All true mate but if you are a "leader", "captain" etc you also have to be performing to a high level, I think we can both agree Hendo and Fab haven't been doing that for quite some time. Gerrard was a leader by action when he was a captain, Hendo was a leader by example. Gerrard hardly talked but was world class and dragged us through for years. Hendo never had that kind of ability but busted a gut and talked to players. Both were effective in their own way.

    I think Klopp for the most part targets leaders, players who set the tone on the pitch and have a good head off the pitch. I completely get that we are maybe looking at a complete mid change but in all fairness, could it have been any worse? We need a change, it just depends on who comes in imo.

    We should goes balls deep for Caicedo. We would crucify teams.

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  • Irishnev
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    Joyce saying 20m for Hendo

    [ame="https://twitter.com/theanfieldtalk/status/1679465000312684545"]https://twitter.com/theanfieldtalk/status/1679465000312684545[/ame]

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  • Irishnev
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    Originally posted by danperkins View Post
    ****ing hell Nev, be careful or you'll put put in the conspiracy theory corner with me. Here's another theory, maybe the Saudi's seen his cringey inspirational muscle & sweat vid and were compelled to put a huge offer in to see those guns in close and personal.
    I just stick to football Dan

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  • Alex
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    Originally posted by Liverpool View Post
    Regardless of it's the right time to move on. Feels a sad end.


    Should leave the same way Milner etc did. Not like this.

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  • Doc_Piptorious
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    Originally posted by Exiled_red View Post
    Yeah but we will be starting the season with what is essentially a completely new midfield none of whom will have played together before this preseason, having a unit that understands one another is what you need to hit the ground running, failing that players with experience in there are key, we will have neither.

    Like them or not Henderson and Milner where huge characters and the leaders of the squad, those other guys might have experience at the club or with their national side, but the fact is at LFC they have always been able to 'hide' behind Henderson or Milner, if they go, there is nowhere to hide, they have to step up, it's a different dynamic which will take some getting used to as a team, and requires them to sink or swim as leaders of this side...

    Probably why we have been looking at guys who have shown themselves capable of leading at their other clubs and for their countries.


    Szoboszlai is the captain of the Hungarian national team, MacAllister is apparantly the leader on and off the pitch type for club and country.

    Thuram, Kone and Tchouameni all have reps for having old heads on young shoulders.

    Think we are very much looking at guys who bring a level of maturity as well as their footballing abilities.

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  • Fosterbloke
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    I think Hendo moving to SA will hurt the club's brand and any supportive messages we put out. They'll be as believable as a Tory's support for low income earners.

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  • Exiled_red
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    Originally posted by danperkins View Post
    We have Allison, Robbo, Trent, VVD, Thiago, Mo who are big characters and seasoned pros. Several of them captain their countries.

    Sell Hendo and Fab and get Caicedo and Lavia
    Yeah but we will be starting the season with what is essentially a completely new midfield none of whom will have played together before this preseason, having a unit that understands one another is what you need to hit the ground running, failing that players with experience in there are key, we will have neither.

    Like them or not Henderson and Milner where huge characters and the leaders of the squad, those other guys might have experience at the club or with their national side, but the fact is at LFC they have always been able to 'hide' behind Henderson or Milner, if they go, there is nowhere to hide, they have to step up, it's a different dynamic which will take some getting used to as a team, and requires them to sink or swim as leaders of this side...

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  • Liverpool
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    Regardless of it's the right time to move on. Feels a sad end.

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  • danperkins
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    Oooooh drama, lovely stuff sell Hendo and Fab. Get my mobility in and we still have leaders everywhere. Keep Thiago.

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  • The_weatherman
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    Romano saying Hendo has agreed and it's between the clubs. He'll go IMO.

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  • Bender
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    Originally posted by danperkins View Post
    We have Bender,Allison, Robbo, Trent, VVD, Thiago, Mo who are big characters and seasoned pros. Several of them captain their countries.

    Sell Hendo and Fab and get Caicedo and Lavia

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  • danperkins
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    Originally posted by Exiled_red View Post
    If both go we lose alot of experience, our most experienced midfielder playing in this side would be Thiago. We need to bring in a big player with experience to replace them, but that still wouldn't necessarily be the same, I don't think you can underestimate the value of someone who has done it all in the league and CL and is familiar with all (most) of their team mates, even if they aren't playing regularly.
    We have Allison, Robbo, Trent, VVD, Thiago, Mo who are big characters and seasoned pros. Several of them captain their countries.

    Sell Hendo and Fab and get Caicedo and Lavia

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  • Exiled_red
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    Originally posted by danperkins View Post
    I actually genuinely don't care if Hendo and Fab go once better players are brought in.
    If both go we lose alot of experience, our most experienced midfielder playing in this side would be Thiago. We need to bring in a big player with experience to replace them, but that still wouldn't necessarily be the same, I don't think you can underestimate the value of someone who has done it all in the league and CL and is familiar with all (most) of their team mates, even if they aren't playing regularly.

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  • danperkins
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    I actually genuinely don't care if Hendo and Fab go once better players are brought in.

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  • danperkins
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    Originally posted by Irishnev View Post
    So, I’m going to come off all Bootroom here but here is my take on things……

    Henderson has been openly pro inclusion/diversity and has led players in many campaigns so this would be a full 180% turn - I don’t see him giving up his morals
    The club in question are not one of the 4 owned by PIF and don’t have the same level of money as the ones Ronaldo, Benzema etc went to - there’s no way they can afford it
    The news broke by Dominic King who helped him write his autobiography
    Henderson has form in the past for running to the media (Ornstein) saying PSG and AM wanted him when he was chasing a big contract

    I think the offer is being exaggerated, I think he’ll turn it down and everyone will say how great he is for refusing the money and he’ll spend the next two seasons with us on his huge wages

    Big PR conspiracy theory from me and I might look like a massive plonker if he takes the money and goes
    ****ing hell Nev, be careful or you'll put put in the conspiracy theory corner with me. Here's another theory, maybe the Saudi's seen his cringey inspirational muscle & sweat vid and were compelled to put a huge offer in to see those guns in close and personal.
    Last edited by danperkins; 13-07-23, 01:22 PM.

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