Martin Skrtel

[McDermotX]

Nah......it's an ugly goal to concede, with an obvious stroke of luck for them, but I'm glad you got around to checking it out again.

How's that offside look ? What about the off run by Perez ?

[Chris]

If Skrtel is where he should be he cuts the ball out. 1.44 onwards

But then I can't comprehend anything else.

Indeed. Instead he did **** all but play them onside and give them an enormous gap to play in to. And guess where the ball went? In to the massive ****ing gap he left empty because he was running to hug Mignolet!

But it's all Clyne's fault. And Mignolet's. And Lovren's. And Manquillo's. And Toure's. And Sakho's. And Gerrard's. And Agger's. And Can's. And Lucas's. And Moreno's. And Rodger's. Poor Jurgie bear is going to be on the end of it soon aswell.

[Vermilion]

Thing is, no defender is in the right position all the time, he got a block in, and the result was unfortunate. imo. this only gets highlighted because of a flukey deflection.

[Chazza]

Thing is, no defender is in the right position all the time, he got a block in, and the result was unfortunate. imo.

I agree no defender is always in the right place but some are normally just a little off not 10 yards deeper than the other three creating a massive hole.

[Norbs]

Massive hole

[danperkins]

lads I know some don't like Skrtel on here but ffs sure look where Lovren is at 0.42, front foot defender though eh. No wonder Skrtel drops so deep, Lovren is a maniac, fine line between being a so called front foot defender and being a complete an utter headless chicken. Have people not realised this yet with Lovren?

The goal was a mess, Skrtel was deeper and is guilty of that on times but it's coming from a wide area with Newcastle players running onto the ball, not exactly a model for playing offside is it? Hang on let's play a high line... ridiculous notion when players area running at pace onto a ball coming from a wide areas, any CB would drop deeper to cover the runners in that situation.

Look where Lovren is FFS, massive hole he leaves every single time he vacates his CB position, it's standard practice for him. If he is in his right area, ball is snuffed out. Lucas is there, absolutely no need for him to be out there in no mans land, but I suppose that's what front foot defenders do

Lovren got done in the box too 1.28 which can happen against a tricky forward so don't blame him there, that happens & sure Skrtel still manages to cover behind Lovren and get block in... unfortunately deflected into the goal. Maybe i'm watching a different video to some, or maybe I can't comprehend anything else. Oh and that Skrtel is a spineless coward and a fraud. Credit where it is due and criticism where it is due but not this time with Skrtel IMO

Glad Chazza posted that video so we can get a nice break down of what actually happened

[Chazza]

[danperkins]

You posted a pic that does not tell the full story & then posted a video which does. Cleared things up nicely.

[RichC]

Unbelievable

[Kenneth]

Skrtel is actually moving over to cover the run of Perez, who is making the move towards the near side of the peno area in case of the lofted ball. Something which is better shown in moton of course. Static shots don't tell the full story.
The ball did not go to this area, something which is apparently beyond the comprehension of some, so offside doesn't even come into it.........the ball went to feckin' Wynaldum (or whatever way it's spelt) who had completely lost Clyne on an inside run.

Said this during the match thread, and that was when it was fresh in people's minds, so you'd think after a few replays it's become obvious.......but no.
Wasn't impressed by Clyne's involvement with either goal, though he was in support of an equaliser when caught miles out of position for their second.

Clyne didn't want to cross to the other side of Skrtel with his man, but the lack of a midfielder tracking back with Wynaldum was also strange and telling. Skrtel had his man covered, but whether that was what he should have been doing is impossible to say without being in the coaching sessions.

[danperkins]

Unbelievable

Lovren is over where he should be close to his fullback on the side of the pitch the ball is.

Skrtel is yet again way too deep, simple as that if he's in line with his fellow defenders it's offside.

Not going to convince the usual suspects and don't want to but what you are saying is that our CB should be out of wide when opposition are attacking from the wide area and attempting a cross into the box? He vacates the space as he does so often and leaves a runner in behind him. 1.25 completely in no mans land. There's 3 runners coming into out box ffs man.

Who the **** plays offside when there's an attacking ball swung into the box and there are three attacking players running onto the ball? It does not make any sense.

Video was posted directed at me to try to prove a point and get a rise as per usual. I'm glad it was directed at me this time as it shows exactly what happened. 1.25 of that video clears things up nicely about the goal & 0.42 shows exactly the type of player Lovren is. Skrtel is far from perfect but in this case it's not as some have suggested.

Sure each to their own, said my piece

[Chazza]

Don't flatter yourself.

It was purely a video showing that if Skrtel is in line with the others as he should be he clears that ball no issue.

[danperkins]

It's was directed at me after I posted something in another thread, you were being smart arse, that was pretty obvious. You posted a still selective pic to prove a point which didn't tell the full story, in full flow it painted a very different picture. Playing offside when the opposition are in a wide area, crossing a ball into the box and have 3 runners in full flow attempting to run onto the ball... isn't exactly the smartest move. Our other CB was out of position and then we made a mess of it in the box.

We don't agree nothing new, who cares.

[danperkins]

Dup

[Chazza]

Well obviously you care as you keep replying.

Nothing to do with an offside trap its about being in the right position.

Anyway.