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    Originally posted by saj View Post
    It wasn't tactical. Finnan was injured.




    Ermmmmmmm it wasn't a tactical change at all. I think you will find it was a change forced on him as Finnan was injured
    some people can never be wrong can they
    K ris90210

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      Originally posted by kris90210 View Post
      some people can never be wrong can they
      To make matters worse Steve Finnan didn't re-emerge for the second half due to a thigh injury. He was replaced by Dietmar Hamman. Seven minutes into the second half the Liverpool captain Steven Gerrard pulled one back to give the Reds a glimmer of hope. The glimmer ignited as Vladimir Smicer added a second goal just two minutes later. Unbelievably Xabi Alonso equalised three minutes after that. An amazing comeback that had Liverpool fans all over the World enraptured and Milan fans totally perplexed.
      Last edited by saj; 28-10-12, 05:26 PM.
      My kebab comes with chilli sauce

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        (Rafa was already going to take off Traore anyway for Hamann but they realised Finnan was injured)
        My kebab comes with chilli sauce

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          Playing an injured player is bad tactically

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            Lol, this old chestnut? Not starting Hamman was a mistake and not bringing him on at half time with the way we'd been going would have been utter madness.

            But he did it and he's a legend... but Rafa certainly wasn't well known for his early substitutions, he loved to stick with the gameplan knowing the opposition would tire first etc.

            Rodgers though, today he did what needed to be done and by and large it worked.
            I could not dig, I dared not rob:
            Therefore I lied to please the mob.
            Now all my lies are proved untrue
            And I must face the men I slew.
            What tale shall serve me here among
            Mine angry and defrauded young?

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              Originally posted by saj View Post
              Well I'm definitely not wrong as it's Rafa's own words
              So Hamann coming on at half time against Milan was not a tactical substitution then? That's what you're saying? ****ing hell Saj. Get a grip man. You're just arguing semantics for the sake of arguing now. Regardless of whether it was as a result of injury, it was still a tactical substitution ffs. He took off a right back and put on a defensive midfielder. Changed formation. And you're saying that's not a tactical switch.

              Is it really so hard just to say, 'yeah I forgot about Istanbul! Smiley face'
              K ris90210

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                Originally posted by MrMichael View Post
                Lol, this old chestnut? Not starting Hamman was a mistake and not bringing him on at half time with the way we'd been going would have been utter madness.

                But he did it and he's a legend... but Rafa certainly wasn't well known for his early substitutions, he loved to stick with the gameplan knowing the opposition would tire first etc.

                Rodgers though, today he did what needed to be done and by and large it worked.
                think assiadi is one sub he should have bought on ....with a tiring everton defence

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                  Originally posted by Bender View Post
                  think assiadi is one sub he should have bought on ....with a tiring everton defence
                  Maybe, though he might be worried a bit about him physically in a game like that. I think we'll see more and more of the guy as the season goes on, but for me it made sense to bring on Henderson for Wisdom who was really struggling, while the 2 at half time were totally the right moves.
                  I could not dig, I dared not rob:
                  Therefore I lied to please the mob.
                  Now all my lies are proved untrue
                  And I must face the men I slew.
                  What tale shall serve me here among
                  Mine angry and defrauded young?

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                    Originally posted by Bender View Post
                    think assiadi is one sub he should have bought on ....with a tiring everton defence
                    I think the subs that were all brought on were probably right, Coates helped in defence, Shelvey the same in midfield and Henderson to give us a bit more cover down the right as wisdom had been poor today.

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                      for me he/we got it wrong, players fault I reckon once it went 2-0 we didnt settle at all, stupid passes and losing the ball and no fight to win the second ball. We could see us getting smashed down the left after 30 mins it needed addressing, Suso or Sterling/Wisdom versus their players was no match.

                      As for the change as half time we were lucky not to concede at a set piece is was looking likely, but we did manage to keep out of the box apart from that.

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                        Originally posted by kris90210 View Post
                        So Hamann coming on at half time against Milan was not a tactical substitution then? That's what you're saying? ****ing hell Saj. Get a grip man. You're just arguing semantics for the sake of arguing now. Regardless of whether it was as a result of injury, it was still a tactical substitution ffs. He took off a right back and put on a defensive midfielder. Changed formation. And you're saying that's not a tactical switch.

                        Is it really so hard just to say, 'yeah I forgot about Istanbul! Smiley face'


                        It was tactical. We were forced to bring on a sub but the change of formation by bringing Didi on meant we changed tactics. We went from 4-4-1-1 to 3-5-2. Tactical.

                        Originally posted by rcasemore View Post
                        I think the subs that were all brought on were probably right, Coates helped in defence, Shelvey the same in midfield and Henderson to give us a bit more cover down the right as wisdom had been poor today.


                        Would've liked to have seen Assaidi but Rodgers made the right changes today

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                          Originally posted by kris90210 View Post
                          So Hamann coming on at half time against Milan was not a tactical substitution then? That's what you're saying? ****ing hell Saj. Get a grip man. You're just arguing semantics for the sake of arguing now. Regardless of whether it was as a result of injury, it was still a tactical substitution ffs. He took off a right back and put on a defensive midfielder. Changed formation. And you're saying that's not a tactical switch.

                          Is it really so hard just to say, 'yeah I forgot about Istanbul! Smiley face'
                          Wow! Kris puts his head above the parapet.
                          Oh I don't know.

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                            I think we seriously need to start thinking about a plan b.

                            We all know what rodgers wants to do but theres times when you just cant do it. rafa encouraged the team to play it out from the back but we also had other options including long balls into torres or out to the right hand side and kuyt.

                            We cant be arrogant enough to think that we can out pass every team in every position on the pitch. Needs looking at but we lack height in the forward positions suarez suso sterling.
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                              I thought we showed variation in our game against Everton.

                              Whether that was a tactical 'plan b' or enforced because, well, it was a derby, I dunno.

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                                Originally posted by el matador View Post
                                I think we seriously need to start thinking about a plan b.

                                We all know what rodgers wants to do but theres times when you just cant do it. rafa encouraged the team to play it out from the back but we also had other options including long balls into torres or out to the right hand side and kuyt.

                                We cant be arrogant enough to think that we can out pass every team in every position on the pitch. Needs looking at but we lack height in the forward positions suarez suso sterling.
                                I dont think Rodgers plan/style etc... is completely wrong.

                                I can see merit in the things he has suggested

                                However the big failing for me is the ability to win possession / compete for 2nd balls in the midfield areas

                                That to me is critical no matter what style of football you intend to play

                                Its useless playing possession football if you dont have the ability to consistantly win it off the opposition
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