Brendan Rodgers

[The_weatherman]

Total cringefest this. As for going for Simeone and Klopp? Get real. We've got zero chance of either. None at all. People need to realise where we are at. The choice of managers we are really after will be an eye opener for some.

I think we can attract good managers, we just choose to go after unproven players and managers in the hope we unearth a gem, it's always been like us to do things that way. We were in the CL but didn't try to get CL players, we went for Lovren, Lambert, Lallana etc. and that was our choice, nothing else. Those were our prime targets.

If we tried for quality we'd get some in. Simeone and Klopp could very well be tempted at some point, specially the latter one, we have young exciting players and even some good underperforming ones.

Can, Sterling, Coutinho, Origi and Markovic are young, we also have Sakho and Moreno at the back and Henderson, you can totally see some build around that.

[fred_plasticine]

Total cringefest this. As for going for Simeone and Klopp? Get real. We've got zero chance of either. None at all. People need to realise where we are at. The choice of managers we are really after will be an eye opener for some.

i agree.
we've got one of the most promising young managers around yet people want him gone as soon as the going gets tough, even though it's the first time he's struggling since taking charge.

[Yozza]

Chris

vile

That he is as bad a captain and leader you could never hope to see.

Just like against Chelsea, I was repulsed.

That’s the team I wanted today.

then that was really it for me. “It” in this instance being “feeling physically ill.”

he is only saying it because anything else would be more shameful than his efforts this season.

What a load of ****ing nonsense.

[Tee]

Total cringefest this. As for going for Simeone and Klopp? Get real. We've got zero chance of either. None at all. People need to realise where we are at. The choice of managers we are really after will be an eye opener for some.

I think you must be out of touch Pabs if you think we cannot attract the likes of Klopp - we finished second last year and are in the CL (only just I know) and most of all, we are Liverpool FC. That alone is still a massive draw, just think back to August and a certain Klopp just standing on the halfway line admiring the stadium and taking it all in. Yeh, he would not be interested at all would he?

[Pablo]

I think you must be out of touch Pabs if you think we cannot attract the likes of Klopp - we finished second last year and are in the CL (only just I know) and most of all, we are Liverpool FC. That alone is still a massive draw, just think back to August and a certain Klopp just standing on the halfway line admiring the stadium and taking it all in. Yeh, he would not be interested at all would he?

I get that Klopp has probably stagnated and is looking for a new club. I get that he's making kissy faces at the Premier League. But I think you're the one that needs a reality check if you think Klopp would join us over the other likely teams that will be after him. As with all the other big name signings we've tried to make, we'll be outgunned.

I pray I'm wrong as I'd be absolutely ecstatic if we got him, but can you honestly in your heart of hearts envisage him becoming a Liverpool manager? I can't. **** that good doesn't happen to us these days. I think he might end up at Arsenal.

As for Simeone, why on earth would he leave that Atletico team to join this Liverpool team? No chance.

[vlahka]

What a load of ****ing nonsense.

He's definitely way over the top. If he wrote that like a normal person who wasnt hemorrhaging diarrhoea from his every opening, his points would be fairly valid. Rodgers will never drop Gerrard though. Expecting him to do it is fantasy.

[Tee]

I get that Klopp has probably stagnated and is looking for a new club. I get that he's making kissy faces at the Premier League. But I think you're the one that needs a reality check if you think Klopp would join us over the other likely teams that will be after him. As with all the other big name signings we've tried to make, we'll be outgunned.

I pray I'm wrong as I'd be absolutely ecstatic if we got him, but can you honestly in your heart of hearts envisage him becoming a Liverpool manager? I can't. **** that good doesn't happen to us these days. I think he might end up at Arsenal.

As for Simeone, why on earth would he leave that Atletico team to join this Liverpool team? No chance.

Agree about Simeone, but I definitely can see Klopp becoming a Liverpool Manager. Absolutely.

[Pablo]

Agree about Simeone, but I definitely can see Klopp becoming a Liverpool Manager. Absolutely.

I love your positivity Tee, but the fact you think we could attract Guardiola undermines you massively I'm afraid

At the very least we should be sounding out Klopp right now. I think this is a unique opportunity for us to get him. He's clearly up for a move to the Premier League and Chelsea and United seem happy enough with their managers right now. That leaves City (Would they sack Pellegrini to bring in Klopp?) or Arsenal (would they finally be brave enough to sack Wenger to get Klopp?) and us as his realistic options.

If we strike first and offer him a new project to dig his teeth into would he bite? We'd be idiots if we're not finding out about that right now.

I still think it's way too good to be true though. Those things just don't happen to us any more I'm afraid.

For what it's worth I think FSG would be very keen on Martinez again should they pull the trigger on Rodgers.

[ronanm]

I always said I would reserve judgment on BR until he was in charge for 3 years. I was very impressed with where we finished last season but still wanted to wait another season to see if it was a fluke. By the same token, I think he should be given until the end of the season to turn this around. You can't get rid of him 12 games into the league season. I stand by my 3 year term. Give him a chance to turn it round.

[Pablo]

I always said I would reserve judgment on BR until he was in charge for 3 years. I was very impressed with where we finished last season but still wanted to wait another season to see if it was a fluke. By the same token, I think he should be given until the end of the season to turn this around. You can't get rid of him 12 games into the league season. I stand by my 3 year term. Give him a chance to turn it round.

Why wait an arbitrary period of time though regardless of performances/form? It's nonsensical really.

I think FSG are shrewd. They will be analysing things carefully. They will pull the trigger only when all the evidence says they should. Right now I'd guess the due diligence of looking into a potential replacement has probably begun.

If Rodgers can pull us out of this mess soon he'll be ok, otherwise I think he'll be replaced fairly quickly. They have an investment to protect.

[Rich]

It is because Klopp seems to be a bit of a maverick that I can seem him being interested in managing us. He'd also fit in with FSG's philosophy of bringing through youth and not investing in ready made superstars.

An added bonus would be his knowledge of the German leagues and acquiring some of the up and coming talent which we may not be familiar with. And finally he might just bring a couple of excellent players with him...

Others like Simione and Pep are complete pie in the sky.

[ronanm]

Why wait an arbitrary period of time though regardless of performances/form? It's nonsensical really.

I think FSG are shrewd. They will be analysing things carefully. They will pull the trigger only when all the evidence says they should. Right now I'd guess the due diligence of looking into a potential replacement has probably begun.

If Rodgers can pull us out of this mess soon he'll be ok, otherwise I think he'll be replaced fairly quickly. They have an investment to protect.

Disagree. Arbitrary true, but what did you think of BR at the end of last season? What do you think of him now? If you solely focus on what he's done so far this season, that's nonsensical to me.

[The Birdman]

I think he's scared.
He watches the games live, he'll also analyse them again on dvd and he'll have the stats on distance covered, intensity etc....
All that info plus his own eyes means he knows Gerrard, Skrtel, Lovren, Johnson to name but 4 are struggling yet he persists, why?

I think it's because he's scared to admit his signings haven't played well so he keeps picking them hoping they'll perform.
I think he's scared to pick and play 'committee' signings (Sakho, Balotelli maybe Can??) in systems that get the best from them in case the committee are proved right and him wrong.
The worst part is he's scared to drop big name players, I don't know a single Liverpool fan who would argue against Gerrard being dropped yet he won't entertain it.

If I was Pascoe or Marsh or anyone else with access to Rodgers I'd be telling him that he won't get a second chance to manage Liverpool FC and he won't ever get a better club in the PL to manage either, don't lose your job because you're scared to act, be brave, drop the captain, drop your centre backs and actually reward the players playing well.

He might just be surprised, let's face it Rodgers can only win, draw or lose games and at the minute he's losing an awful lot of them.

[Zapater]

I don't know, if we sell the project right I'm sure we can get a better profile manager than people think. Many managers want to test themselves in England and may see this project as an ideal opportunity. If Spurs could appoint Juande Ramos whom had extremely high stock at the time, I'm sure we could do something similar. It's not like when Woy left and no one wanted near it.

[Shaggy]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/11249546/Calls-for-Liverpool-to-sack-Brendan-Rodgers-premature-but-culture-of-negligence-at-Anfield-could-be-his-undoing.html

Calls for Liverpool to sack Brendan Rodgers premature but culture of negligence at Anfield could be his undoing

Liverpool have spent so much time patting themselves on the back for finishing second, they overlooked bit where Barca took best player and domestic rivals overtook them

It is a scientific fact soon to be explored in the next Christopher Nolan movie that wherever you travel, at any fixed point in the universe, someone somewhere will be calling for someone to resign. Or be sacked.

We live in an age where the default position is to be offended by the continued employment of those we don’t consider to be as complete human beings as ourselves.

There are now offices full of recent graduates dedicated to a daily web search to find out what they – and the rest of civilised society – should be offended by.

“We’ve found a bloke who sent a distasteful email to his friend in Doncaster last month. See if you can get hold of the service provider to make the exchanges public and get it online quick so everyone else can see how inappropriate it is.”

Some offences, naturally, are worse than others, but if it’s not revolting text messages or Stone Age opinions provoking the evangelicals into full preach mode, it’s losing football matches.

You can have eleven month investigations into all that other stuff like casual racists attitudes, but losing a couple of football matches is so insufferably bad there have to be immediate repercussions.

It is the ultimate resigning matter and sack-able offence, and of the 20 managers in the Premier League it is the law of the land at least one must be ‘on the brink’ every Monday morning.

So it was that at 3.24pm on Sunday, a mere ten minutes after the final whistle at Selhurst Park, the first ‘Rodgers for the chop?’ email dropped from the bookmakers (they were a bit late so presumably someone was on a tea break when Crystal Palace scored their third goal).

A fortnight ago it was Mauricio Pochettino, but Arsene Wenger and Manuel Pellegrini have also had it this season. Pellegrini might have won the league title a few months ago, but he lost football matches in Europe this season, which is unforgivable at a club that has never won the Champions League.

Wenger has paid for the Emirates Stadium more than Emirates Airlines with consecutive Champions League qualification, but he keeps on losing football matches against others teams who want to be or are already in the Champions League. The Arsenal fans – or some Arsenal fans who like to think they speak for all Arsenal fans – have had enough.

And now Rodgers, greeted to Anfield with a guard of honour and new contract last summer, will have to tolerate the sound of a ticking clock until he stops doing daft things like believing his current back four will ever keep a clean sheet in his current formation.

There is so much to repair at Anfield the construction company looking at the new Main Stand may need to look closer at the plans.

Rodgers’ idealistic system of playing Steven Gerrard in front of his back four worked last year but is utterly inappropriate now; his defenders lack clarity of thought and strength of character and need more protection; his goalkeeper is dreadful (and his back-up keeper even worse); his midfield lightweight and unbalanced; and if Liverpool do not recruit a top class striker even those predictions of a mid-table finish will seem optimistic. Rodgers’ vulnerability is many of these issues were raised when Liverpool were winning, and a culture of negligence, possibly even arrogance, has set in across the whole club where nothing has been done to address glaring inadequacies.

We should not be entirely surprised. Liverpool have simply done what they do after every good season. They spend so much time patting themselves on the back and dishing out contracts on the back of finishing second, they overlook the bit where Barcelona or Real Madrid take their best player and their domestic rivals sprint ahead of them.

They then revert to defensive mode, questioning the judgement of the critics until the acceptance a couple years later (probably in an autobiography or cathartic interview of some sort) that – yes – another opportunity was indeed missed.

Rodgers must also take responsibility for Liverpool currently being the easiest team in the country to play against. Just let them knock the ball around in their own half for a few minutes and wait for the forward pass that concedes possession. Better still, press their defenders, watch it go back to Simon Mignolet and bingo.

Rodgers’ response to questions about his future after the loss to Crystal Palace hardly quashed the appetite of speculators smelling Irish blood, but for all the blame on him this is still premature.

Aside from having only just signed that new deal and still, yes still, remarkably still, being in all competitions and only five points off fourth position, there is no appetite at Anfield for another change and the fresh rebuilding process it would involve.

You’d also have to ask aside from the obvious dire start to this campaign what would Rodgers really be getting sacked for? Putting his name to the mistakes of others?

Although there are those who insist he has made terrible signings it is well-documented it is the committee of which he is a member that will be held accountable by John W. Henry, not just the manager.

He may accept public responsibility because it makes him look in complete control of transfers when he never has been, but it’s not the truth, and he is clever enough to know there will be an email trail somewhere detailing exactly who brought those eight summer signings (and the rank average Mignolet a year ago) to Merseyside. If Rodgers had his way he'd have a Dutchman who could pass the ball in goal, while Ashley Williams would have been marshalling his back four last season and this. Would he have made a difference? Anyone who watched Wales in Belgium last week might think so.

Some might argue he would also have Clint Dempsey in attack, too, but the point remains he is not the only architect of the squad.

It is series of transfer failures that have caught up with Liverpool and an ensemble cast must face up their responsibility. Rodgers is simply the public face of the deterioration.

Dismissing Rodgers would also be expensive, and Liverpool – still awaiting a UEFA verdict on their FFP status – cannot afford another hefty round of ‘termination payments’ in their next accounts.

You also have to ask where would they turn next? One of the attractions of Rodgers was he was a relatively cheap purchase when he left Swansea, his immediate predecessors earning anywhere between £3million to £5 million a year. Some of the names erroneously linked with the post recently would be on the higher end of that pay scale, making them non-starters.

Liverpool ripped it up and started again when Rafa Benitez left. They did the same after sacking Roy Hodgson, and then Kenny Dalglish. For two years the switch to a ‘long-term’ strategy under Rodgers was working. Another change and Liverpool might as well ask Mike Ashley if they can take the name St James’ Park.

Last season was the most enjoyable watching Liverpool for 24 years, but for the first four months of this one it has been as bad as it has been in the same period.

The appetite from some to change after Rodgers’ first poor spell is uncharacteristically impatient and also rather suspicious, as many have not really like the cut of his jib since day one and are putting rather too much relish on their despair.

Rodgers will not lack supporters desperate for him to ensure if it is going to get even worse before it gets better – and it certainly will get worse without a top class striker – it does EVENTUALLY get better.

Victory against Ludogorets on Wednesday would be a start, but the least Rodgers deserves is until the end of this season and the beginning of the next – preferably with the help of a transfer committee that finally proved it knows what it is doing.

Nothing is unconditional in football, however. He can not let Liverpool sink too much nearer to the bottom three before they start clawing their way towards the top four or – just like those esteemed names who came and went before – the pressure will become intolerable.