Brendan Rodgers

[DannyMan2006]

Personally think we need to stop separating Rodgers from the Committee. He's on it, so he's as much a part of their choices than anyone. They live and die together IMO

100% correct.

But one thing people have to accept is that Rodgers should be judged for results on the pitch alone and leave it at that. I'll leave it to FSG to decide who's to blame for a poor transfer window. Up to now results haven't been good enough, but I'm hopeful that will change and by February we better be in with a great shout of top 4 or my patience with this season will wear thin.

As far as I'm concerned it's CL or bust this season. If we're not in it next season we would have to achieve something remarkable to warrant Rodgers staying in the job.

[RichC]

Yup, results on the pitch are what ultimately matters and where Brendan should be judged.

It's encouraging to see he's changed our style of play finally to better suit the players at his disposal he's now got to convert the improvement in performances into results and points.

The past two seasons under him we've certainly seen an improvement in form in the second half of the season; let's hope he can continue this trend and I think he's going to need to.

[Sarb]

He should have just accepted the set up of working with a DoF IMO. Would have been much better, imagine someone like Cruyff guiding and advising him.

Personally think that was down to FSG. They have the right ideas but the people they appoint leave a lot to be desired really. Comolli had a history of overpaying. His appointment was always a worry.

Their idea of a DoF was a good one. Think they wanted De Boer who wasnt interested in moving at that time. Martinez I think didnt want to work under a Sporting Director type which Pep Segura was rumoured going to be. Then Rodgers came along and said he wouldnt work under one. Apparently Van Gaal was lined up and wanted all his own coaches etc. Think its the only way it works, the DoF brings in his own people.

Rodgers has some good coaching attributes. But the whole coaching structure is a bit average. Rodgers is inexperienced, Mike Marsh as a first team coach is hardly experienced and dont know what Pascoe does. They needed an old head in there at a big club. Dont think Ayre has done a lot to justify being the main man at a club as big as Liverpool either.

[Tee]

Personally think that was down to FSG. They have the right ideas but the people they appoint leave a lot to be desired really. Comolli had a history of overpaying. His appointment was always a worry.

Their idea of a DoF was a good one. Think they wanted De Boer who wasnt interested in moving at that time. Martinez I think didnt want to work under a Sporting Director type which Pep Segura was rumoured going to be. Then Rodgers came along and said he wouldnt work under one. Apparently Van Gaal was lined up and wanted all his own coaches etc. Think its the only way it works, the DoF brings in his own people.

Rodgers has some good coaching attributes. But the whole coaching structure is a bit average. Rodgers is inexperienced, Mike Marsh as a first team coach is hardly experienced and dont know what Pascoe does. They needed an old head in there at a big club. Dont think Ayre has done a lot to justify being the main man at a club as big as Liverpool either.

[BigChief]

At least with Liverpool we're now finally talking about being ready to tonk someone. This time last season it was Spurs (or was it Arsenal). We're certainly creating the chances and karma can't keep us seeing those shots scuffed.

This is out best chance of closing the 10 point gap on Utd and heaping the pressure back on them.

[Alex]

Back to Ian Ayre again?

None of us know what he does. Hes the Chief Exec. Revenue off the pitch is growing, so that looks good for him.

I dont know that he should be involved with choosing players, but then again I dont know how heavily involved in that he is either. For all we know he could just be the bloke who sanctions the money being released.

As for the Coaching staff. I have no clue what any of them do. I dont get how Pascoe can be seen as useless. lll agree that Rodgers is inexperienced though. But the only way to gain that is by doing the job. He has probably learnt more lessons this season than last.

[DannyMan2006]

As FSG knew **** all about football it would have made sense to bring in a DOF. Then give that man the job of hiring a coach and building a team. If they didn't want that they should have signed a manager and given him total control.

This meeting in the middle rubbish is a joke. Personally I'd give Rodgers total control, but if they want they could easily stipulate some parameters. I just find it ridiculous to think that he's asking for Ashley Williams but is given Sakho and then Lovren.

Now if I'm rating each CB I obviously rate Sakho higher. But if Rodgers wants Williams, give him that player and let him build his team as he sees fit. Instead we've spent £40m on two CB's. Neither of which would likely start in a back 4 on current form. Rodgers also wanted Vorm. Again, I don't think he's great. But he's clearly a player Rodgers could've done with. He wanted him prior to Mignolet, and he wanted him in the summer when he was available.

Now you can call it as him making us into Swansea mark II, but we'd have spent far less money and we'd have a ball playing CB who's a leader and a keeper comfortable with the ball at his feet. In other words, exactly what we need. You then have the foundations in place in which to build a team. IMO, had we signed those two players the previous summer, we'd have won the league.

[DannyMan2006]

Back to Ian Ayre again?

None of us know what he does. Hes the Chief Exec. Revenue off the pitch is growing, so that looks good for him.

I dont know that he should be involved with choosing players, but then again I dont know how heavily involved in that he is either. For all we know he could just be the bloke who sanctions the money being released.

As for the Coaching staff. I have no clue what any of them do. I dont get how Pascoe can be seen as useless. lll agree that Rodgers is inexperienced though. But the only way to gain that is by doing the job. He has probably learnt more lessons this season than last.

He is one of 4 on the committee. You would think that being the money man, he vetoes deals based on price.

[Sarb]

Back to Ian Ayre again?

None of us know what he does. Hes the Chief Exec. Revenue off the pitch is growing, so that looks good for him.

I dont know that he should be involved with choosing players, but then again I dont know how heavily involved in that he is either. For all we know he could just be the bloke who sanctions the money being released.

As for the Coaching staff. I have no clue what any of them do. I dont get how Pascoe can be seen as useless. lll agree that Rodgers is inexperienced though. But the only way to gain that is by doing the job. He has probably learnt more lessons this season than last.

Personally dont think Liverpool is a club where you should be learning on the job. Much too big a club for that.

Not a bashing of Ayre. Good at revenue generation. But again his previous football experience was at Huddersfield who, I believe, almost or did go bankrupt. Has his uses but not as a Chief Exec or deciding on players to buy.

Very little experience in the coaching staff and manager. Something you need a lot of when things arent going well.

For a club of Liverpool's size I dont think they have enough high calibre, quality people in the key positions

[Tee]

Personally dont think Liverpool is a club where you should be learning on the job. Much too big a club for that.

Not a bashing of Ayre. Good at revenue generation. But again his previous football experience was at Huddersfield who, I believe, almost or did go bankrupt. Has his uses but not as a Chief Exec or deciding on players to buy.

Very little experience in the coaching staff and manager. Something you need a lot of when things arent going well.

For a club of Liverpool's size I dont think they have enough high calibre, quality people in the key positions

This is a key point and it seems we have people in key roles all essentially learning on the job, BR included. Unfortunately, as with most learning processes, mistakes are being made and we are paying for them.

[DannyMan2006]

Personally dont think Liverpool is a club where you should be learning on the job. Much too big a club for that.

Not a bashing of Ayre. Good at revenue generation. But again his previous football experience was at Huddersfield who, I believe, almost or did go bankrupt. Has his uses but not as a Chief Exec or deciding on players to buy.

Very little experience in the coaching staff and manager. Something you need a lot of when things arent going well.

For a club of Liverpool's size I dont think they have enough high calibre, quality people in the key positions

When we were hiring people that point was very true. But they're all experienced now.

What makes me laugh is how people level that Ayre is rubbish at negotiating. Takes too long to get deals done, overpays, etc. ridiculous. I've never known any club get a deal over the line in record time at a bargain price. Give me a bottomless pit of money and I could ring up a club and get a deal done. It's not rocket science.

[Sarb]

When we were hiring people that point was very true. But they're all experienced now.

What makes me laugh is how people level that Ayre is rubbish at negotiating. Takes too long to get deals done, overpays, etc. ridiculous. I've never known any club get a deal over the line in record time at a bargain price. Give me a bottomless pit of money and I could ring up a club and get a deal done. It's not rocket science.

Not knocking his negotiating this summer. But like I said it isnt a club where you can have almost every single person in a key position learning on the job. We dont just have one or two. We have almost everyone who is pretty raw in what they do sitting in a key position. You have to have some experienced people.

And it is debateable how much has actually been learnt

[ChrisDR1968]

As FSG knew **** all about football it would have made sense to bring in a DOF. Then give that man the job of hiring a coach and building a team. If they didn't want that they should have signed a manager and given him total control.

This meeting in the middle rubbish is a joke. Personally I'd give Rodgers total control, but if they want they could easily stipulate some parameters. I just find it ridiculous to think that he's asking for Ashley Williams but is given Sakho and then Lovren.

Now if I'm rating each CB I obviously rate Sakho higher. But if Rodgers wants Williams, give him that player and let him build his team as he sees fit. Instead we've spent £40m on two CB's. Neither of which would likely start in a back 4 on current form. Rodgers also wanted Vorm. Again, I don't think he's great. But he's clearly a player Rodgers could've done with. He wanted him prior to Mignolet, and he wanted him in the summer when he was available.

Now you can call it as him making us into Swansea mark II, but we'd have spent far less money and we'd have a ball playing CB who's a leader and a keeper comfortable with the ball at his feet. In other words, exactly what we need. You then have the foundations in place in which to build a team. IMO, had we signed those two players the previous summer, we'd have won the league.

So did the rest of the committee block the moves for Williams, Vorm and possibly Bony on age, quality or price?

[BobTheCharmer]

Personally dont think Liverpool is a club where you should be learning on the job. Much too big a club for that.

Not a bashing of Ayre. Good at revenue generation. But again his previous football experience was at Huddersfield who, I believe, almost or did go bankrupt. Has his uses but not as a Chief Exec or deciding on players to buy.

Very little experience in the coaching staff and manager. Something you need a lot of when things arent going well.

For a club of Liverpool's size I dont think they have enough high calibre, quality people in the key positions

Who does exactly? Most key people behind the scenes at football clubs are businessmen first and foremost. The lack of ex players in key positions is because they are too damn thick to cut it. So you are left with wealthy owners with no knowledge and general business people.

[Sarb]

Who does exactly? Most key people behind the scenes at football clubs are businessmen first and foremost. The lack of ex players in key positions is because they are too damn thick to cut it. So you are left with wealthy owners with no knowledge and general business people.

Never mentioned ex players. But there is usually a person or a couple of people with experience in top clubs, most of the time the manager. We are littered with novices and it shows