Brendan Rodgers

[mercury]

Utterly gutted at today's lacklustre performance in the second half, and to far into a bottle of Jamesons to make much sense, but ffs we're one game into a season of serious rebuilding, will have a serious look after 10 games.
Having the same luck as last season so will probably beat hearts, city and arsenal!

[little dave hedgehog]

No chance. Allen is an average player, Lucas is class but in a 3 man setup it's not playing to his strengths, and downing is shocking. He needs to forget tika taka with that lot.

this is not the first time i've seen you post this. you are aware that downing is not a central midfielder, nor is he one of brendan's midfield 3, right?

[doogle]

I'm a little drunk now but people are going overboard and give the guy a break, he's brought in 3 players, 2 of which havn't even spoke to all the players yet will probably make next weeks squad(Allen made yesterdays starting 11) and is well publicised in trying to get several loan deals in so rightly or wrongly doesn't think the team he got is not up the standard he wants to his style od football so it will take time which is something people on here were saying they would give him but seem to have forgot

[Vermilion]

Utterly gutted at today's lacklustre performance in the second half, and to far into a bottle of Jamesons to make much sense, but ffs we're one game into a season of serious rebuilding, will have a serious look after 10 games.
Having the same luck as last season so will probably beat hearts, city and arsenal!

I bloody hope so, or we'll be playing serious catch up this season.

[el matador]

We will have trouble attracting top players because firstly were not competing for titles and secondly we dont have a manager of any repute. Thats not to say hes not a good manager actually far from it but its much easier to make a decision when you believe in the manager in front of you.

My gues for example is that if rafa had been negotiating the deals for sahin and tello both would be liverpool players now. But rodgers has yet to establish his reputation in the game.

Man city did the same thing when they got mancini who had already won titles with inter and was a stellar player. Once he came then the quality of player they brought in went up a notch. this is what we are struggling with at the moment imo.

[Muddled]

My gues for example is that if rafa had been negotiating the deals for sahin and tello both would be liverpool players now. But rodgers has yet to establish his reputation in the game.

It's a pretty big guess; Rafa bought all his players with Champions League football available. Yes, he brough a high calibre of player with high wages, but Sahin wants to play in the Champions League and Tello doesn't want to leave Spain ... Rafa wouldn't have changed those facts.

Man city did the same thing when they got mancini who had already won titles with inter and was a stellar player. Once he came then the quality of player they brought in went up a notch. this is what we are struggling with at the moment imo.

That and the astronomical wages Man City were offering. Mark Hughes bought Robinho, was that because he was a fan of his bicycle kicks?

[Phoenix07]

We will have trouble attracting top players because firstly were not competing for titles and secondly we dont have a manager of any repute. Thats not to say hes not a good manager actually far from it but its much easier to make a decision when you believe in the manager in front of you.

My gues for example is that if rafa had been negotiating the deals for sahin and tello both would be liverpool players now. But rodgers has yet to establish his reputation in the game.

Man city did the same thing when they got mancini who had already won titles with inter and was a stellar player. Once he came then the quality of player they brought in went up a notch. this is what we are struggling with at the moment imo.

That's one of the reasons I wanted Villas Boas. He's known across the continent.

But this goes right down to the core issue of the DOF structure which was ditched. We needed a Van Gaal/Cruyff figure to establish a philosophy and structure throughout the club. It appears that is something Segura was promised and not adhered to, so he's gone. Instead, we've given the keys of Liverpool Football Club to Ian Ayre and Brendan Rodgers, instead of an executive team at corporate level and a footballing executive team. We're busy trying to get Man City's scouts in, and now the head, Dave Fallows, isn't even coming.

[Chris]

That and the astronomical wages Man City were offering. Mark Hughes bought Robinho, was that because he was a fan of his bicycle kicks?

Yep, as always it's all pretty much about the cash.

[Chris]

We're busy trying to get Man City's scouts in, and now the head, Dave Fallows, isn't even coming.

Who's saying that?

[el matador]

man city had the cash before mancini turned up but they didnt have the top players. He brought brilliant players after he arrived, players that hughes couldnt have attracted.

[Muddled]

man city had the cash before mancini turned up but they didnt have the top players. He brought brilliant players after he arrived, players that hughes couldnt have attracted.

Yup, Man City did have cash before Mancini turned up. During that time, Mark Hughes bought Vincent Kompany, Pablo Zabaleta, Robinho, Nigel De Jong, Gareth Barry, Kolo Toure, Carlos Tevez and Joleon Lescott. All, bar Robinho, have just got a Premiership winners medal therefore playing a role in Man City winning the league.

They didn't buy just buy 'brilliant' players after Mancini arrived. Thus, money talks and you're fighting a losing battle on this one.

[CJ]

The standard of player did increase when Mancini arrived though

[el matador]

Yup, Man City did have cash before Mancini turned up. During that time, Mark Hughes bought Vincent Kompany, Pablo Zabaleta, Robinho, Nigel De Jong, Gareth Barry, Kolo Toure, Carlos Tevez and Joleon Lescott. All, bar Robinho, have just got a Premiership winners medal therefore playing a role in Man City winning the league.

They didn't buy just buy players after Mancini arrived.

thats fine mate and there you would say that kompany, robinho and tevez are the top quality players. Even then it can be justified that tevez and robinho went for the money and kompany wasnt performing at a very high level when he was signed. He became a top name afterwards.

If you look who city have signed thereafter under mancini - yaya toure, david silva, sergio aguero, mario balotelli. These lads all earned decent money where they were and for players like this its not just about money but about winning.

These lads (with the exception of balotelli) were all world class superstar players and there's a big difference in the reputations of the signings pre-mancini and after.

There's no doubt that having a top class manager (with an established reputation) can help signing players because players will want to play for that manager. Look at alonso, mascherano and torres all of whom were signed for big money. one of the reasons they came is because rafa was the manager.

Rodgers will in time, if he;s successful build his own reputation but for now thats not there.

[el matador]

The standard of player did increase when Mancini arrived though

yes but he's got his blinkers on and he wont accept that. Thats the thing with the internet. Even in you;re wrong youre still right.

[Muddled]

thats fine mate and there you would say that kompany, robinho and tevez are the top quality players. Even then it can be justified that tevez and robinho went for the money and kompany wasnt performing at a very high level when he was signed. He became a top name afterwards.

If you look who city have signed thereafter under mancini - yaya toure, david silva, sergio aguero, mario balotelli. These lads all earned decent money where they were and for players like this its not just about money but about winning.

These lads (with the exception of balotelli) were all world class superstar players and there's a big difference in the reputations of the signings pre-mancini and after.

There's no doubt that having a top class manager (with an established reputation) can help signing players because players will want to play for that manager. Look at alonso, mascherano and torres all of whom were signed for big money. one of the reasons they came is because rafa was the manager.

Rodgers will in time, if he;s successful build his own reputation but for now thats not there.

But the 'quality of player did not go up a notch' when Mancini came in, Man City had been paying over the odds and getting their man the season before. It could be argued that players would have joined Man City regardless of who was manager due to their wage structure and the obvious way they were heading. Man City bought Yaya Toure and David Silva on ridiculous wages, not because Mancini was in charge.

The following season, he had secured Champions League and could entice players like Aguero, Nasri etc. Yes, Balotelli joined because of who is, but footballers will naturally move to a team that either offers Champions League football, monumental wages, will be fighting for titles or to a manager who knows them well or a manager who has a history of winning things regularly.

The standard of player did increase when Mancini arrived though

I think it was a natural progression regardless of who was in charge. They were offering high wages, moving up the league and building a squad to challenge on many fronts. Hughes had created a strong spine, Mancini added to that by offering high wages and then the season after, with the lure of Champions League football. If Toure was hell bent on playing for Mancini, I don't think he'd have insisted on £200K a week plus.

yes but he's got his blinkers on and he wont accept that. Thats the thing with the internet. Even in you;re wrong youre still right.

Behave, it's a matter of opinions; I think Man City will have signed players regardless of who was in charge, you think players went to Man City because of Mancini - neither of us are right and wrong, but just because I don't agree with you, doesn't mean I have blinkers on.