Brendan Rodgers

[kris90210]

Specially when you take into account we have not been able to play a settled full back line up becuase of Johnson's injury and Enrique being total ****e.

And losing Lucas as well. The team is going through a hugely transitional phase right now in terms of play style, but I think some people are being a little bit unrealistic when it comes to how long it's going to take. A few weeks is just ridiculous in my opinion.

I think it's going to be next season before we start to see the benefit of the groundwork that's being laid out right now. By that time the players we have will be used to the system, and Rodgers will have had another couple of windows to strengthen with players he wants.

Ultimately I am really pleased with the direction we're heading in right now. We have a vision and a philosophy for the first time in a long time. The philosophy is bigger than the manager - look at how Swansea have coped every time they've lost a manager since Martinez was there. It's been incredibly smooth - a new man comes in and it's almost seemless. Same with Barcelona. Their philosophy is so strong that question marks remain over how good a coach Guardiola actually is, despite coaching the greatest clubs side in history.

And of course, we can look to our own history to find another example of how the philosophy is more important that the man in charge. It feels like that's what we're trying to do right now, and it's something we're going to have to be patient with. I've seen lots of signs of improvement personally, from the early friendlies where we didn't really seem to have much of a clue, to now where we click for a period during a match but can't sustain it, or can't make the possession tell.

Wow, this has turned into a much longer post that was intended. Basically, I think we need to be patient and support what Rodgers is trying to do.

[el matador]

So are you basically saying that Rodgers doesn't know what he's doing? You do realise that Swansea had a fantastic defensive record under him in the Premiership don't you?

I think you need to consider that your idea of how long things should take may be wrong.

kris part of that fantastic defensive record was because they didnt really attack anyone either.

They kept the ball all the time without ever going anywhere. hence the lowest number of goals scored in the league last season.

expectation is zero at swansea but thats defintely not the case at anfield. Dont get me wrong, im a systems person all day long but im not convinced this is the right system not just for us but for any top team (but not barca).

[Kenneth]

kris part of that fantastic defensive record was because they didnt really attack anyone either.

They kept the ball all the time without ever going anywhere. hence the lowest number of goals scored in the league last season.

expectation is zero at swansea but thats defintely not the case at anfield. Dont get me wrong, im a systems person all day long but im not convinced this is the right system not just for us but for any top team (but not barca).

we scored a grand total of 3 more league goals than them.

[el matador]

we scored a grand total of 3 more league goals than them.

but we had a **** season and we hit the woodwork 40 times i think. Swansea had a season beyond their wildest expectations and still scored the lowest number of goals in the league.

We dont create that many chances, we dont look like we can score goals. We're not even getting into threatening positions.

again, im not saying anything against rodgers but i dont think this system will work for us we are a team expected to win matches and take the game to the opposition.

[ashey]

And losing Lucas as well. The team is going through a hugely transitional phase right now in terms of play style, but I think some people are being a little bit unrealistic when it comes to how long it's going to take. A few weeks is just ridiculous in my opinion.

I think it's going to be next season before we start to see the benefit of the groundwork that's being laid out right now. By that time the players we have will be used to the system, and Rodgers will have had another couple of windows to strengthen with players he wants.

Ultimately I am really pleased with the direction we're heading in right now. We have a vision and a philosophy for the first time in a long time. The philosophy is bigger than the manager - look at how Swansea have coped every time they've lost a manager since Martinez was there. It's been incredibly smooth - a new man comes in and it's almost seemless. Same with Barcelona. Their philosophy is so strong that question marks remain over how good a coach Guardiola actually is, despite coaching the greatest clubs side in history.

And of course, we can look to our own history to find another example of how the philosophy is more important that the man in charge. It feels like that's what we're trying to do right now, and it's something we're going to have to be patient with. I've seen lots of signs of improvement personally, from the early friendlies where we didn't really seem to have much of a clue, to now where we click for a period during a match but can't sustain it, or can't make the possession tell.

Wow, this has turned into a much longer post that was intended. Basically, I think we need to be patient and support what Rodgers is trying to do.

Spot on

[red g]

but we had a **** season and we hit the woodwork 40 times i think. Swansea had a season beyond their wildest expectations and still scored the lowest number of goals in the league.

We dont create that many chances, we dont look like we can score goals. We're not even getting into threatening positions.

again, im not saying anything against rodgers but i dont think this system will work for us we are a team expected to win matches and take the game to the opposition.

I think the system would be fine with better personal, Not Swansea's....Not Liverpool's now, but with Better personal We don't create threatening positions as we haven't got the personnel;With a few additions in the attaking third,Johnson back and Lucas as a DM with Allen further firward I donøt think scoring goals will be an issue

[little dave hedgehog]

but we had the chances to win most of our matches. we certainly did sunday.

[el matador]

I think we had one real chance which suarez created for shelvey which he fluffed.

Other than that I dont remember a chance being created for anyone else ?

Suarez goal wasnt a chancs. It wasnf even half a chance. the guys genius created that goal.

[Mark79]

Shelvey alone had 3 good chances.

[little dave hedgehog]

Shelvey alone had 3 good chances.

[kris90210]

kris part of that fantastic defensive record was because they didnt really attack anyone either.

They kept the ball all the time without ever going anywhere. hence the lowest number of goals scored in the league last season.

expectation is zero at swansea but thats defintely not the case at anfield. Dont get me wrong, im a systems person all day long but im not convinced this is the right system not just for us but for any top team (but not barca).

To say they didn't attack anyone is just a lazy opinion. I'm guessing you maybe watched a few games, watched the highlights, saw the stats, and you've jumped to a conclusion / joined the bandwagon. Lazy.

How on earth anyone can belittle what Swansea did last season is beyond me. They didn't attack anyone - did you watch the games where we played them? It didn't seem to me like they weren't attacking.

And I hate the way people just say, 'they just passed it around without really doing anything with it' - as though that's easy to do in the premiership with a team that cost a couple of million to build. They managed to impose their game against pretty much every side in the premiership - even against the bigger clubs. It's not easy to play a passing game when you have top teams swarming all over you, and yet they did.

If you want to judge Swansea then you have to look at the players they actually had at their disposal. Rodgers managed to get a bunch of championship players to perform at a level way greater than the sum of their parts. To outpass all but 3-4 teams in Europe (I think?). It was a phenomenal achievement. To look to downplay it in anyway is pretty cynical in my opinion.

[the rev leeroy brown]

To say they didn't attack anyone is just a lazy opinion. I'm guessing you maybe watched a few games, watched the highlights, saw the stats, and you've jumped to a conclusion / joined the bandwagon. Lazy.

How on earth anyone can belittle what Swansea did last season is beyond me. They didn't attack anyone - did you watch the games where we played them? It didn't seem to me like they weren't attacking.

And I hate the way people just say, 'they just passed it around without really doing anything with it' - as though that's easy to do in the premiership with a team that cost a couple of million to build. They managed to impose their game against pretty much every side in the premiership - even against the bigger clubs. It's not easy to play a passing game when you have top teams swarming all over you, and yet they did.

If you want to judge Swansea then you have to look at the players they actually had at their disposal. Rodgers managed to get a bunch of championship players to perform at a level way greater than the sum of their parts. To outpass all but 3-4 teams in Europe (I think?). It was a phenomenal achievement. To look to downplay it in anyway is pretty cynical in my opinion.

spot on mate

[el matador]

To say they didn't attack anyone is just a lazy opinion. I'm guessing you maybe watched a few games, watched the highlights, saw the stats, and you've jumped to a conclusion / joined the bandwagon. Lazy.

How on earth anyone can belittle what Swansea did last season is beyond me. They didn't attack anyone - did you watch the games where we played them? It didn't seem to me like they weren't attacking.

And I hate the way people just say, 'they just passed it around without really doing anything with it' - as though that's easy to do in the premiership with a team that cost a couple of million to build. They managed to impose their game against pretty much every side in the premiership - even against the bigger clubs. It's not easy to play a passing game when you have top teams swarming all over you, and yet they did.

If you want to judge Swansea then you have to look at the players they actually had at their disposal. Rodgers managed to get a bunch of championship players to perform at a level way greater than the sum of their parts. To outpass all but 3-4 teams in Europe (I think?). It was a phenomenal achievement. To look to downplay it in anyway is pretty cynical in my opinion.

remember possession is great but at some point youve actually got to show some intent.

they didnt. they were patient and waited for the opposition to make mistakes or lose their shape. but we have to take the game to the opposition because we're liverpool.

what would be interesting is their shots on target, shots off target, crosses into the box in comparison to the prem average.

[kris90210]

remember possession is great but at some point youve actually got to show some intent.

they didnt. they were patient and waited for the opposition to make mistakes or lose their shape. but we have to take the game to the opposition because we're liverpool.

what would be interesting is their shots on target, shots off target, crosses into the box in comparison to the prem average.

Yes, but it wasn't just good possession stats they achieved was it. They finished with an excellent points tally as well (relatively speaking of course).

I don't think you watched very much of Swansea last season, because if you did, you would know that the whole, 'they didn't attack' thing is a myth. Just like when pundits used to moan about Rafa's zonal marking. How many of their games did you watch in their entirety? Be honest.

Of course the expectations, not to mention the way teams line up against us, are different. That goes without saying really.

[Scratch]

He deosn't need to watch, he coaches his boys in the same way and it's just not working...therefore, it is the system that is at fault.