Brendan Rodgers

[Fernandinho]

While we are at it have you tried deploying your RB at RW to see if Johnson is a viable option for us up top?

[el matador]

Yes, but it wasn't just good possession stats they achieved was it. They finished with an excellent points tally as well (relatively speaking of course).

I don't think you watched very much of Swansea last season, because if you did, you would know that the whole, 'they didn't attack' thing is a myth. Just like when pundits used to moan about Rafa's zonal marking. How many of their games did you watch in their entirety? Be honest.

Of course the expectations, not to mention the way teams line up against us, are different. That goes without saying really.

thats my point.

you know on the continent they call this 433 a defensive system because the idea is to keep the ball at all costs. the typical default formation for italian teams was 433 because of the whole catenaccio philosophy. Our 433 formation is typical catenaccio.

Barca can get away with this because they have some phenomenal talent who can turn the game in the blink of an eye. Messi can create havoc in 2 yards of space and have an end product. If you take messi out of the team, barca look more static and without ideas. When he's injured or he doesnt perform they dont.

Villanova credit to him has tried to change things about. They are much more direct and they look to create chances. They even play long balls now and their play generally has a lot more variety. They still dominate the ball but theyve got more options.

When we first started under rodgers the whole keep the ball mentality under swansea is what i expected but the first few games didnt pan out like that and we all thought its a different ideology. But its wasnt.

the forward players like gerrard and suarez werent following his instructions properly and thats why we looked much more attacking and open that at least i thought we would be.

People seem to think that ive got something against rodgers which is rubbish i just dont like the system.

[red g]

thats my point.

you know on the continent they call this 433 a defensive system because the idea is to keep the ball at all costs. the typical default formation for italian teams was 433 because of the whole catenaccio philosophy. Our 433 formation is typical catenaccio.

Barca can get away with this because they have some phenomenal talent who can turn the game in the blink of an eye. Messi can create havoc in 2 yards of space and have an end product. If you take messi out of the team, barca look more static and without ideas. When he's injured or he doesnt perform they dont.

Villanova credit to him has tried to change things about. They are much more direct and they look to create chances. They even play long balls now and their play generally has a lot more variety. They still dominate the ball but theyve got more options.

When we first started under rodgers the whole keep the ball mentality under swansea is what i expected but the first few games didnt pan out like that and we all thought its a different ideology. But its wasnt.

the forward players like gerrard and suarez werent following his instructions properly and thats why we looked much more attacking and open that at least i thought we would be.

People seem to think that ive got something against rodgers which is rubbish i just dont like the system.

Maybe once he has brought in the system you don't like and our players understand this system he can bring in more variety to his play and bring in other systems that you and your team of Spearings approve of.

[Yozza]

thats my point.

you know on the continent they call this 433 a defensive system because the idea is to keep the ball at all costs. the typical default formation for italian teams was 433 because of the whole catenaccio philosophy. Our 433 formation is typical catenaccio.

Barca can get away with this because they have some phenomenal talent who can turn the game in the blink of an eye. Messi can create havoc in 2 yards of space and have an end product. If you take messi out of the team, barca look more static and without ideas. When he's injured or he doesnt perform they dont.

Villanova credit to him has tried to change things about. They are much more direct and they look to create chances. They even play long balls now and their play generally has a lot more variety. They still dominate the ball but theyve got more options.

When we first started under rodgers the whole keep the ball mentality under swansea is what i expected but the first few games didnt pan out like that and we all thought its a different ideology. But its wasnt.

the forward players like gerrard and suarez werent following his instructions properly and thats why we looked much more attacking and open that at least i thought we would be.

People seem to think that I know more than rodgers which is rubbish i just dont like the system.

[el matador]

yozza you got me ! But it should say

People seem to think that I know more than rodgers which is right because im FA level one qualified and it took me a whole 4 hours to do it. Furthermore I hate his defensive minded backwards system and I could do a better job with me eyes closed.

now thats what im really thinking.

[baitman]

possession stats

did barca's possession win them the game against celtic

[Yozza]

yozza you got me ! But it should say

People seem to think that I know more than rodgers which is right because im FA level one qualified and it took me a whole 4 hours to do it. Furthermore I hate his defensive minded backwards system and I could do a better job with me eyes closed.

now thats what im really thinking.

[kris90210]

thats my point.

you know on the continent they call this 433 a defensive system because the idea is to keep the ball at all costs. the typical default formation for italian teams was 433 because of the whole catenaccio philosophy. Our 433 formation is typical catenaccio.

Barca can get away with this because they have some phenomenal talent who can turn the game in the blink of an eye. Messi can create havoc in 2 yards of space and have an end product. If you take messi out of the team, barca look more static and without ideas. When he's injured or he doesnt perform they dont.

Villanova credit to him has tried to change things about. They are much more direct and they look to create chances. They even play long balls now and their play generally has a lot more variety. They still dominate the ball but theyve got more options.

When we first started under rodgers the whole keep the ball mentality under swansea is what i expected but the first few games didnt pan out like that and we all thought its a different ideology. But its wasnt.

the forward players like gerrard and suarez werent following his instructions properly and thats why we looked much more attacking and open that at least i thought we would be.

People seem to think that ive got something against rodgers which is rubbish i just dont like the system.

I don't think it is mate. Actually it definitely isn't as I've just done a quick check. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catenaccio)

1. The typical catenaccio system was set up to grind out 1-0 wins - our system isn't.
2. It employed a sweeper - we don't.
3. It used man-marking in defence - we don't.

I think the crucial point you're missing is that that system was set up to be defensive. You can have 2 systems that use a similar formation but play an entirely different way. I also think you're trying too hard to pigeonhole Rodgers' system. It's not the same system as Barca's, it's not the same as Swansea's. It's a style that is specific to us and it is a work in progress.

If I had to sum up the system, I don't think you can just say it's 4-3-3. It's more than that. It's a 4-3-3 which focusses on short passing, high pressing, possession based football. What's not to like about that?

[Pablo]

Yeah it's not catenaccio at all

[el matador]

I don't think it is mate. Actually it definitely isn't as I've just done a quick check. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catenaccio)

1. The typical catenaccio system was set up to grind out 1-0 wins - our system isn't.
2. It employed a sweeper - we don't.
3. It used man-marking in defence - we don't.

I think the crucial point you're missing is that that system was set up to be defensive. You can have 2 systems that use a similar formation but play an entirely different way. I also think you're trying too hard to pigeonhole Rodgers' system. It's not the same system as Barca's, it's not the same as Swansea's. It's a style that is specific to us and it is a work in progress.

If I had to sum up the system, I don't think you can just say it's 4-3-3. It's more than that. It's a 4-3-3 which focusses on short passing, high pressing, possession based football. What's not to like about that?

I know what rodgers wants because he lays it out every time he speaks. passing, possession and pressing. thats great because thats modern day football. I like the systems approach to football because it facilitates micro-tactics and a more disciplined ethos. And rodgers has said all along that he controlled passing with tactical discipline is what he wants. Again thats great but then why is the team so vulnerable.

our defensive shape is so bad that we offer teams the opportunity to hit us on the counter and score with their few shots on goal. I think even shaggy said the same earlier.

But we cannot commit so many men forward without securing the backline first. Thats why we look so open at the back because this hybrid system he is trying to create at liverpool cant have one defensive midfielder shielding two central defenders with the fullbacks pushed so high.

Every time the opposition breaks count how many of our men are behind the ball. There was a break that newcastle had against us where i counted seven of our guys behind the ball.

Thats a systems failure. When you leave open such massive gaps on a consistent basis its not usually a personnel issue but a tactical one.

Again, ive said this that there isnt a big difference in a 433 and 4231. Rodgers himself on MOTD went for a 4231 system when he picked his prem Xl.

For me thats the way forward because the two defensive mids accomodate the two fullbacks pushing up so high. Any space in behind is covered by one DM and the other can still drop in to fill in the centre. But to play one DM with both fullbacks pushed so high is asking for trouble.

[kris90210]

I know what rodgers wants because he lays it out every time he speaks. passing, possession and pressing. thats great because thats modern day football. I like the systems approach to football because it facilitates micro-tactics and a more disciplined ethos. And rodgers has said all along that he controlled passing with tactical discipline is what he wants. Again thats great but then why is the team so vulnerable.

our defensive shape is so bad that we offer teams the opportunity to hit us on the counter and score with their few shots on goal. I think even shaggy said the same earlier.

But we cannot commit so many men forward without securing the backline first. Thats why we look so open at the back because this hybrid system he is trying to create at liverpool cant have one defensive midfielder shielding two central defenders with the fullbacks pushed so high.

Every time the opposition breaks count how many of our men are behind the ball. There was a break that newcastle had against us where i counted seven of our guys behind the ball.

Thats a systems failure. When you leave open such massive gaps on a consistent basis its not usually a personnel issue but a tactical one.

Again, ive said this that there isnt a big difference in a 433 and 4231. Rodgers himself on MOTD went for a 4231 system when he picked his prem Xl.

For me thats the way forward because the two defensive mids accomodate the two fullbacks pushing up so high. Any space in behind is covered by one DM and the other can still drop in to fill in the centre. But to play one DM with both fullbacks pushed so high is asking for trouble.

I think the first question you asked is a good one. Why do we look so vulnerable? I would say we look vulnerable because the team is still adapting to this new way of playing - you can see that we're still adapting from pretty much every facet of our game. Attacking and defending. I think the crucial thing is not to throw the baby out with the bath water just because it hasn't instantly worked. You can also add the poor form of Reina and the loss of Lucas to the list of very valid reasons for why we look vulnerable.

I also saw that team the Rodgers picked when he used a 4-2-3-1, so he clearly knows the differences between the two systems. I just feel you need to appreciate that the manager will know a billion times more than us and he's doing what he's doing for the reason. Ultimately it comes down to trust doesn't it.

[el matador]

I think the first question you asked is a good one. Why do we look so vulnerable? I would say we look vulnerable because the team is still adapting to this new way of playing - you can see that we're still adapting from pretty much every facet of our game. Attacking and defending. I think the crucial thing is not to throw the baby out with the bath water just because it hasn't instantly worked. You can also add the poor form of Reina and the loss of Lucas to the list of very valid reasons for why we look vulnerable.

I also saw that team the Rodgers picked when he used a 4-2-3-1, so he clearly knows the differences between the two systems. I just feel you need to appreciate that the manager will know a billion times more than us and he's doing what he's doing for the reason. Ultimately it comes down to trust doesn't it.

it doesnt take 4 months to adapt to basic defensive shape. You cant teach grown men how to defend individually because they already should know that but rather as a unit.

We all think that when lucas comes back its going to solve all our problems but what if it doesnt. Lucas is a fantastic player and our best defensive midfielder but he's not superman.

[kris90210]

it doesnt take 4 months to adapt to basic defensive shape. You cant teach grown men how to defend individually because they already should know that but rather as a unit.

We all think that when lucas comes back its going to solve all our problems but what if it doesnt. Lucas is a fantastic player and our best defensive midfielder but he's not superman.

So you keep saying, and yet this is how long it's taking. So what's most likely? That you're wrong, or Rodgers doesn't know what he's doing?

Lucas is our only specialised defensive midfielder. I think he'll make a big, big difference when he's back.

[el matador]

So you keep saying, and yet this is how long it's taking. So what's most likely? That you're wrong, or Rodgers doesn't know what he's doing?

Lucas is our only specialised defensive midfielder. I think he'll make a big, big difference when he's back.

I hope so.

[Daniel 7]

This game reminds me of us nowadays

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