Brendan Rodgers

[Mattshark]

And nothing to do with Suarez's missed chances, Johnson not tracking his player (for the umpteenth time), and an overall lacklustre performance? I don't disagree he was poor, but no more than most of the others.

I'm glad Rodgers is being called out for the bull**** he's been saying after matches, as someone else said, it's becoming Roy-esque.

Do you think it would be better if he slated the players after every game?

[Maxiedge]

And nothing to do with Suarez's missed chances, Johnson not tracking his player (for the umpteenth time), and an overall lacklustre performance? I don't disagree he was poor, but no more than most of the others.

I'm glad Rodgers is being called out for the bull**** he's been saying after matches, as someone else said, it's becoming Roy-esque.

errr no, he was by far and away the worst player on the pitch. couldn't string a pass. His nervousness on the ball gives the opponents confidence. and he's started doing that pass again where he gives the ball back to a player in a worse position than himself.

Also, if you really want to analyse the game in depth, there were a couple of times Allen lost the ball but it came from Henderson really giving him unnecessary passes that put him in trouble. The thing is, people on here will have a go at Allen but he's not the root of the problem.

[Daniel 7]

Re Allen, he's part of another £30m of seemingly poor squad investment yet again though. The club seems to have developed a culture of plain bad decision making over the last few years, and not just with recruitment.

If you treat the sacking of Rafa as the cut off point (there are just far too many before that to keep going back through), just look at what has been done since.

Granted there have been some extreme circumstances, but when the opportunity to stabilise and move forward has been presented, we seem to step to the side and make ridiculous decisions - I don't have to list them, we all know what they are.

I guess my point is that I am really struggling with complete negativity, and have very little faith that any of the people involved in running or managing the club are able to make good short term decisions that can lead to a brighter future.

Football and all that goes with it is bad enough without Liverpool being one of the worst things about it.

[DeanoUK]

Do you think it would be better if he slated the players after every game?

Like when he went after our youth? No, but blithering utter nonsense is a no-no too.

[DeanoUK]

errr no, he was by far and away the worst player on the pitch. couldn't string a pass. His nervousness on the ball gives the opponents confidence. and he's started doing that pass again where he gives the ball back to a player in a worse position than himself.

Also, if you really want to analyse the game in depth, there were a couple of times Allen lost the ball but it came from Henderson really giving him unnecessary passes that put him in trouble. The thing is, people on here will have a go at Allen but he's not the root of the problem.

I wasn't really disagreeing, just trying to ensure a few others were blamed too!

[Nick77]

Think Molby's wide of the mark there - my expectations for this squad are perfectly realistic and that's 6th place.

Please could I have a bit of what u're smoking?!

[Lecter]

The thing is, people on here will have a go at Allen but he's not the root of the problem.

IMO Allen is the root of the problem far too often

Hes physically weak and is easily shrugged off the ball which wouldnt be so bad if he wasnt too slow in possession and has a propensity to dwell on the ball and get caught

Thats before we even discuss his defensive frailties and positional ability

Terrible buy imo, especially when you consider we paid more for him than we did for Henderson, who himself isnt that great either

[Alex]

Whats wrong with thinking we can make 6th?

[Lecter]

Whats wrong with thinking we can make 6th?

I think our squad on paper is good enough to be there

Unfortunately football isnt played on paper

[Darkon]

I'm going to go out on a limb here.

If FSG sack Rodgers and appoint someone other than Rafa, regardless of who it is, I think some fans would only give him 6 odd games before forming an opinion on him too. Yeah we aren't playing great at the moment, but with Sturridge in the side it made a huge difference to our whole play (Oldham aside). When he's out we've been pretty pants the last two games.

Allen and Borini are young players with minimal premiership experience. In the first month or two months Allen showed enough to indicate he definitely has the talent and ability. They were purchased for the future. They are certainly not financially cripppling deals like the ones of Aquilani, Cole, Carroll etc.

Allen feels the need to constantly come out and tell everyone that he knows he's been piss poor of late but he will work on coming good. Us fans didn't really learn from the Lucas episode or Henderson to a lesser extent. They both had sh*te support from the supposed best fans in the world. Lucas said he was in tears after matches, but look at him last season....brilliant.

But I think the patience and sense of perspective has gone from many now to be honest. Look forward to the next meltdown after the next bad result

[Daniel 7]

IMO Allen is the root of the problem far too often

Hes physically weak and is easily shrugged off the ball which wouldnt be so bad if he wasnt too slow in possession and has a propensity to dwell on the ball and get caught

Thats before we even discuss his defensive frailties and positional ability

Terrible buy imo, especially when you consider we paid more for him than we did for Henderson, who himself isnt that great either

I would agree with you for the first part, but I'm still not sure if he's to be written off as a bad buy.

My struggle with him is - at what point do you classify the good form he showed as the anomaly, and the bad form as the norm?

I agree that some of the problems the team has can use him as the easy target for finger pointing, though.

[Maxiedge]

IMO Allen is the root of the problem far too often

Hes physically weak and is easily shrugged off the ball which wouldnt be so bad if he wasnt too slow in possession and has a propensity to dwell on the ball and get caught

Thats before we even discuss his defensive frailties and positional ability

Terrible buy imo, especially when you consider we paid more for him than we did for Henderson, who himself isnt that great either

Difference between Allen and Henderson is that Allen is a much more assured footballer, imo. Yes, he makes mistakes too but not of the totally unforced nature of Henderson. Allen can dwell on the ball, true, but that's more to do with over trusting his own ability or how much time and space he has. Yes, Allen had been poor recently by his own standards and does give the ball away more than he should but not with the same cowardice as Henderson.

There was a moment last night when the ball came down and was really well controlled by Henderson. I was genuinely surprised until I realised it was Allen, not Henderson.

As I said, Henderson is a total enigma and will continue to be. Such an odd footballer capable of moments of brilliance but also capable of putting in what I personally thought was one of the worst perfomrances in a red shirt I have ever seen last night.

[Lecter]

Difference between Allen and Henderson is that Allen is a much more assured footballer, imo. Yes, he makes mistakes too but not of the totally unforced nature of Henderson. Allen can dwell on the ball, true, but that's more to do with over trusting his own ability or how much time and space he has. Yes, Allen had been poor recently by his own standards and does give the ball away more than he should but not with the same cowardice as Henderson.

There was a moment last night when the ball came down and was really well controlled by Henderson. I was genuinely surprised until I realised it was Allen, not Henderson.

As I said, Henderson is a total enigma and will continue to be. Such an odd footballer capable of moments of brilliance but also capable of putting in what I personally thought was one of the worst perfomrances in a red shirt I have ever seen last night.

You see I feel totally the opposite

Allen for me is a luxury player and in the central positions you just cant afford that

Central midfielders have to be willing and able to scrap and fight for possession - and I just dont think Allen is

Henderson on the other hand will compete and whilst technically he might not be of the same skill set as Allen there is no denying that his contribution both in terms of closing down / pressing and actual goals / assists far exceed those of Allen

[Lecter]

I would agree with you for the first part, but I'm still not sure if he's to be written off as a bad buy.

My struggle with him is - at what point do you classify the good form he showed as the anomaly, and the bad form as the norm?

I agree that some of the problems the team has can use him as the easy target for finger pointing, though.

When he plays we are a soft touch imo, easily bullied / out-muscled

To me hes a luxury, hes a player you bring on when the game is won and you are 2 or 3 up and want to see the game out

In terms of actually getting in the trenches and fighting he offers nothing

Thats one of my big fears regarding Rodgers in the transfer market. Barring Sturridge the bulk of his signings have been small technical players that offer little or no aggression in or out of possession

[fred_plasticine]

And nothing to do with Suarez's missed chances, Johnson not tracking his player (for the umpteenth time), and an overall lacklustre performance? I don't disagree he was poor, but no more than most of the others.

I'm glad Rodgers is being called out for the bull**** he's been saying after matches, as someone else said, it's becoming Roy-esque.

roy-esque? like ****. theres no way anything that hes said is only remotely like roy. you just want to have a go at him, thats all.