Brendan Rodgers

[Kenneth]

: proud :

[Vermilion]

These other managers, and particularly Roy, hit out at players when they were under lots of pressure themselves so heading for a sacking. Players knew the managers were under pressure and could be sacked so had no incentive to take notice and respect the criticism. I don't think Brendan is in this position.

Good point, but i'm not sure, i don't think players think that way, they either take the crticism well or they don't, not really sure they look at the managers position and decide whether to put the effort in or not depending on that.

The trouble only really comes if influential players in the dressing room take against the manager. imo.

[dom9]

Clearly not solely because of the public criticisms, no. No-one has suggested that.

Disagree it's meaningless - he points out players lost faith in the manager after the manager had publicly criticised them, the wheels came off, results got worse = manager sacked. Whether that's just a convenient excuse for under-performing/**** footballers is another issue.

Time will tell whether Rodgers' gamble has paid off. It's definitely a gamble no matter what anyone's view on it, IMO.

And that is where I disagree. IMO, Souness, Rafa and Hodgson had massive dressing room issues before those comments were made. The comments may have amplified those issues, true. But they were not the catalyst. Managers say this sort of thing all the time.

That's a fair point. Souness was under huge pressure, likewise Rafa after a few great years and it all went tits up. Whereas Hodgson was just ****ing useless and up against it from very early on.

You're right, I think, that Rodgers isn't as far down Sack Avenue as the rest.

[BootRoom]

whereas I understood him not to be saying that players lacked physical prowess, rather their mental determination and mental stremgth was actually the problem. And highlighting examples of borini and Allen, who people might highlight as being weak, not being physically weak was supporting this. I.e. The current weakness is mental not physical. But maybe your lazy more critical interpretation is correct.

He later clarified his implied criticism of the physical performance of the team by saying it was all in the mind (something that he has no direct control on), because if it wasn't all in the mind but was a physical reality, it could be logically concluded that he picked the wrong team for the circumstances, hence he shifts all the blame onto the players.

Being mentally strong wont stop a physically weak player getting knocked about; it will help him get back up to take more punishment though.

[Neil Young]

So:

1. Previous managers' public criticisms indicated rather than caused a split between manager and players but it then got worse.
   
2. That's probably not the case this time.
   
3. But it could provoke a split, although that's unlikely on its own.
   
4. Results will ultimately dictate what happens.

Is that a fair summary of how people feel?

Whatever happens, it's an ill-advised move and is not a sign of strength.

[baitman]

i have said many times that i dislike brendans public love in with the press. he just needs to say what he needs to say to the people that matter, the players.
if he cannot get the message across in private then can we assume he isnt up to the job of managing the players and needs the help of the press pack to get the message across...

the public bollocking may get some response from the players, but this doesnt need to be done publicly. if he can he should be making his point with the players in front of the group on the training ground.

to publicly slate coates isnt helpful if he is looking to sell him on.
sometimes i wonder if LFC is now all about brendan and his self publicity for 'his project'

[Vermilion]

I think BR is a long long way from the sack, even if results from now till may weren't so great, and we dropped to around 12th in the table by seasons end, he would still start next season as manager.

Only a drastic turn of events would see him sacked imo.

[Shaggy]

So:

1. Previous managers' public criticisms indicated rather than caused a split between manager and players but it then got worse.
   
2. That's probably not the case this time.
   
3. But it could provoke a split, although that's unlikely on its own.
   
4. Results will ultimately dictate what happens.

Is that a fair summary of how people feel?

Whatever happens, it's an ill-advised move and is not a sign of strength.

[Galb]

The Borini and Allen comments are hilarious, talk about trying to justify yourself

Deflect, deflect, deflect. This looks like the blame anyone but me school of management so beloved of media-friendly types like Hodgson and Redknapp.

Concerns growing daily for me.

[Kenneth]

Deflect, deflect, deflect. This looks like the blame anyone but me school of management so beloved of media-friendly types like Hodgson and Redknapp.

Concerns growing daily for me.

Soz.

[Sarb]

Deflect, deflect, deflect. This looks like the blame anyone but me school of management so beloved of media-friendly types like Hodgson and Redknapp.

Concerns growing daily for me.

Strange, I vaguely remember him having a long sit down with forums, fanzines and blog writers (maybe a month or so ago) where he accepted that he'd made quite a few mistakes. Maybe I imagined it. But hey, I think he should tell Barrett, Evans and Co how crap he thinks he's been. Makes perfect sense

[souliv]

So here are a couple of quotes in which Brendan contradicts himself.

"They have had great support since the first day I walked in here, but you can't be too nice to young players, especially the modern player.
"We never leave them hanging out to dry. We will look at where they need to improve. But they have to understand the responsibility to play for such a club.

I think you did


"There's a problem when it comes forward but there's always the root of the problem which for me was the pressure at the top end of the field. Can we stop the ball coming forwards?
That's not down to one player in particular, it's the front three or four. I don't want to single anyone out here as that's not how I work.

"Take Fabio Borini and Joe Allen, for example. If you ask people about Borini, they would say his biggest attribute is his physicality.

"His power and aggression - that's what he's renowned for. That's where his qualities lie but that's something he needs to improve on for us.

"As for Joe, I've seen him throw Yaya Toure to the ground in games last season. He has never been found wanting physically.

So he is not singling out players to criticize but is when it comes to giving unjustified praise he praises the players he brought in. That is really going to help team morale I have no issue with him criticizing or praising players but don't be a hypocrite.

In terms of taking the blame can anyone point to an interview were Rogers holds himself accountable

I think he is a good manager but thinks he is cleverer than he actually is and talks way too much to the media.

Here is a link to the whole article

http://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/latest-news/rodgers-i-m-looking-for-right-mentality

[Gibbo]

So:

1. Previous managers' public criticisms indicated rather than caused a split between manager and players but it then got worse.
   
2. That's probably not the case this time.
   
3. But it could provoke a split, although that's unlikely on its own.
   
4. Results will ultimately dictate what happens.
   
5. Phil Brown is the answer.

Is that a fair summary of how people feel?

Whatever happens, it's an ill-advised move and is not a sign of strength.

[dom9]

So here are a couple of quotes in which Brendan contradicts himself.

"They have had great support since the first day I walked in here, but you can't be too nice to young players, especially the modern player.
"We never leave them hanging out to dry. We will look at where they need to improve. But they have to understand the responsibility to play for such a club.

I think you did


"There's a problem when it comes forward but there's always the root of the problem which for me was the pressure at the top end of the field. Can we stop the ball coming forwards?
That's not down to one player in particular, it's the front three or four. I don't want to single anyone out here as that's not how I work.

"Take Fabio Borini and Joe Allen, for example. If you ask people about Borini, they would say his biggest attribute is his physicality.

"His power and aggression - that's what he's renowned for. That's where his qualities lie but that's something he needs to improve on for us.

"As for Joe, I've seen him throw Yaya Toure to the ground in games last season. He has never been found wanting physically.

So he is not singling out players to criticize but is when it comes to giving unjustified praise he praises the players he brought in. That is really going to help team morale I have no issue with him criticizing or praising players but don't be a hypocrite.

In terms of taking the blame can anyone point to an interview were Rogers holds himself accountable

I think he is a good manager but thinks he is cleverer than he actually is and talks way too much to the media.

Here is a link to the whole article

http://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/late...ight-mentality

That's not contradictory at all. he has not singled out anyone for criticism. You do know the definition of "singling out" I presume?

[dom9]

And as for the comments about BR thinking he's cleverer than he actually is. Well, pot and kettle there methinks.