Divock Origi

[BigChief]

I still rate him as Belgium's best striking prospect if he can keep his game intelligence up. Offers so much more in big games than Lukaku for a start. Just keeping that brain focused is the only concern.

[Maxiedge]

You can tell within 2 mins which Origi has turned up ...whether it's the 'da original' or the carbon copy

[Doc_Piptorious]

I still rate him as Belgium's best striking prospect if he can keep his game intelligence up. Offers so much more in big games than Lukaku for a start. Just keeping that brain focused is the only concern.

Big call that. For me the biggest problem with Origi is him getting the sort of sustained run in the team (and in a central attacking role) that he would need to either develop or show he is not all that.


Don't think he can really be compared to Lukaku either as at the same age Lukaku had three seasons of being a regular goals scorer in the Premier league to his name as well as a few seasons as a first teamer (and goal getter) in Belgium.


Lukaku may drift between looking muck and looking a real force for the bitters, but he still knocks in the goals and I suspect he might score at an even higher rate if he were in a quality team and under a quality manger who demanded more from him on the pitch. I think under the likes of Conte, Klopp, or even Simeone we would see Lukaku evolve into a much better layer than he already is.


But returning to our own guy. I think he needs that sustained run of games and next season if he is not going to get that with us then we should be looking to loan him out to a Premiership team that would give him game time.

With Mane out for the season though, I do hope we can give him the time in our remaining eight games and we don't just shunt him out wide.

[BigChief]

Lukaku wouldn't work in a Klopp team. Firmino would probably still be starting up front. So Lukaku would then have to show his worth from scrap minutes like Origi is having to. Not easy to score so regularly when that happens.

Conversely put Origi as a 90 minute per game player at Everton. Do you think he'd start knocking in 20 a season? I have no doubt his conversion rate means he would.

Origi is as tall and as strong as Lukaku. When he turns up in pussy cat mode it often looks likes he's a weakling but that's just a lack of confidence because of the irregular starts. Origi's skill on the ball is far better than Lukaku too and they're pretty much on par for pace.

Personally I don't much rate any of Belgium's strikers much but Origi can change that if he can sort his brain out as has been discussed.

[frank the tank]

Lukaku wouldn't work in a Klopp team. Firmino would probably still be starting up front. So Lukaku would then have to show his worth from scrap minutes like Origi is having to. Not easy to score so regularly when that happens.

Conversely put Origi as a 90 minute per game player at Everton. Do you think he'd start knocking in 20 a season? I have no doubt his conversion rate means he would.

Origi is as tall and as strong as Lukaku. When he turns up in pussy cat mode it often looks likes he's a weakling but that's just a lack of confidence because of the irregular starts. Origi's skill on the ball is far better than Lukaku too and they're pretty much on par for pace.

Personally I don't much rate any of Belgium's strikers much but Origi can change that if he can sort his brain out as has been discussed.

I get the feeling that Origi might have to wait for an injury to Firmino to get a sustained run in the team. Alternatively, a loan move to a club in the premier league next year where he plays every week, he knocks in 20 goals and comes back to LFC then.

I do think that if he was sold, then it would come back to haunt us.

[The_weatherman]

Big call that. For me the biggest problem with Origi is him getting the sort of sustained run in the team (and in a central attacking role) that he would need to either develop or show he is not all that.


Don't think he can really be compared to Lukaku either as at the same age Lukaku had three seasons of being a regular goals scorer in the Premier league to his name as well as a few seasons as a first teamer (and goal getter) in Belgium.


Lukaku may drift between looking muck and looking a real force for the bitters, but he still knocks in the goals and I suspect he might score at an even higher rate if he were in a quality team and under a quality manger who demanded more from him on the pitch. I think under the likes of Conte, Klopp, or even Simeone we would see Lukaku evolve into a much better layer than he already is.


But returning to our own guy. I think he needs that sustained run of games and next season if he is not going to get that with us then we should be looking to loan him out to a Premiership team that would give him game time.

With Mane out for the season though, I do hope we can give him the time in our remaining eight games and we don't just shunt him out wide.

Can't see him getting a chance unless out wide, Firmino is our centre forward. I'd think Coutinho - Firmino - Origi could work, specially so after Lallana and Henderson return.

[Doc_Piptorious]

Lukaku wouldn't work in a Klopp team. Firmino would probably still be starting up front. So Lukaku would then have to show his worth from scrap minutes like Origi is having to. Not easy to score so regularly when that happens.

Conversely put Origi as a 90 minute per game player at Everton. Do you think he'd start knocking in 20 a season? I have no doubt his conversion rate means he would.

Origi is as tall and as strong as Lukaku. When he turns up in pussy cat mode it often looks likes he's a weakling but that's just a lack of confidence because of the irregular starts. Origi's skill on the ball is far better than Lukaku too and they're pretty much on par for pace.

Personally I don't much rate any of Belgium's strikers much but Origi can change that if he can sort his brain out as has been discussed.

A big strong finisher with a questionable at times workrate could not work out in a Klopp team? Seemed to work with Lewandowski and his work ethic improved season on season. And no I am not saying Lukaku is the equal of Lewandowski, but rather that his style of striker can flourish in a Klopp managed team.


Lukaku is not just a big lump like Benteke, and I think you are underselling what he has done to date in his career.



Origi I really like and I do hope he goes on to be a hell of a player for us, but the truth of the matter is that he has not done anything of any real note in the game so far to warrant saying that he would be a 20 goal a season man if he played for Everton now.

I think he has potential and I think he needs proper game time in order to find out if he can realise that potential or not. His conversion rate this season is very good, and I think that the fact he is far more prolific when given a run of starts than he is from the bench only highlights the need for him to get regular games.

[Doc_Piptorious]

Can't see him getting a chance unless out wide, Firmino is our centre forward. I'd think Coutinho - Firmino - Origi could work, specially so after Lallana and Henderson return.

I think Firmino is our main centre forward/striker for now. I don't think he will be the number one choice for that role next season.


I agree that a front trio of Coutinho - Firmino - Origi could work until the end of the season, but with Mane out I think I would be tempted to play that trio with Firmino and Origi as roaming front duo and Coutinho behind them. Basically something similar to the diamond formation we used at times during the 2013/14 season. We could still play a pressing game using that formation and it is not as reliant on the raw pace that we will not have available between now and the end of the season.

[red g]

A big strong finisher with a questionable at times workrate could not work out in a Klopp team? Seemed to work with Lewandowski and his work ethic improved season on season. And no I am not saying Lukaku is the equal of Lewandowski, but rather that his style of striker can flourish in a Klopp managed team.


Lukaku is not just a big lump like Benteke, and I think you are underselling what he has done to date in his career.



Origi I really like and I do hope he goes on to be a hell of a player for us, but the truth of the matter is that he has not done anything of any real note in the game so far to warrant saying that he would be a 20 goal a season man if he played for Everton now.

I think he has potential and I think he needs proper game time in order to find out if he can realise that potential or not. His conversion rate this season is very good, and I think that the fact he is far more prolific when given a run of starts than he is from the bench only highlights the need for him to get regular games.

Lukaku is too much about himself, Did you see him ignoring williams last night then giving him grief at end for the sending off.

Billy big balls, I also think he gives the ball away to much has a touch like an elephant, No workrate either. Lewandowski has a nice touch not sure baout work rate.

[MrMichael]

Like BigChief, I don't think Lukaku would be an ideal fit for a Klopp system at all.

Origi is an interesting one, he's basically ideal for his current role in the squad but also if he is to have the chance to truly develop to his best potential he probably will need a more regular starting place than I can see him getting for us any time soon unless he massively grabs his chances. Presumably we'll replace Sturridge in the summer so even with Europe next year I'm not sure he'll be entirely content to persevere, but i hope he does.

[Doc_Piptorious]

Like BigChief, I don't think Lukaku would be an ideal fit for a Klopp system at all.

Origi is an interesting one, he's basically ideal for his current role in the squad but also if he is to have the chance to truly develop to his best potential he probably will need a more regular starting place than I can see him getting for us any time soon unless he massively grabs his chances. Presumably we'll replace Sturridge in the summer so even with Europe next year I'm not sure he'll be entirely content to persevere, but i hope he does.

Never said he would be an ideal fit. I said that I thought he would score more goals in a better team and under a manager that expected/demanded more of him. For me guys like Conte, Klopp and Simeone would be the type to demand more from him and that it would be under that sort of manager that I reckon he could evolve and improve as a player.

[Doc_Piptorious]

Lukaku is too much about himself, Did you see him ignoring williams last night then giving him grief at end for the sending off.

Billy big balls, I also think he gives the ball away to much has a touch like an elephant, No workrate either. Lewandowski has a nice touch not sure baout work rate.

Yeah and that is why I think he needs the sort of manager that would challenge him and that has the sort of strong personality (and track record) to force Lukaku to do more and improve more.


I don't think he is right now the perfect Klopp player, but I do think he is the sort of player who would go up a few levels (and if he went up a level or two he would be a hell of a player) working with a manager like Klopp.

[red g]

Yeah and that is why I think he needs the sort of manager that would challenge him and that has the sort of strong personality (and track record) to force Lukaku to do more and improve more.


I don't think he is right now the perfect Klopp player, but I do think he is the sort of player who would go up a few levels (and if he went up a level or two he would be a hell of a player) working with a manager like Klopp.

Think your right, Potential is frightening and with better players round him, He would have to contribute and do more to stay in the team. Koeman probably doesnt want to improve him too much or he will definitely leave

[baitman]

Koeman probably doesnt want to improve him too much or he will definitely leave

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[Lecter]

Thought he played well second half today