Jürgen Klopp

[gratziani]

https://twitter.com/squawka/status/910013836803153920

So it has been our wasteful attack that has caused us to drop points all along

Our wasteful attack and their expert marksman

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That's actually surprisingly poor from Utd. The only difference is De Gea saves those clear cut chances and instead of going to 1-1 Utd go on to win those squeaky games 4-0. *******s.

Chelsea and Spurs are in the right place but for the wrong reasons considering we're so close to them in the league. Are they too defensively averse? We should be somewhere in the middle, would help if all our defenders weren't brain fart specialists.

SO TRue, The Mig starts for United on Sunday and they would have been 1 nil behind to one of Everton's chances and then chasing the game.

it must be a 20 point swing the difference between having Mig and a De Gea in goal.

[Maxiedge]

SO TRue, The Mig starts for United on Sunday and they would have been 1 nil behind to one of Everton's chances and then chasing the game.

it must be a 20 point swing the difference between having Mig and a De Gea in goal.

De Gea is an exception to the rule but when was the last time you looked at the team sheet and thought 'great, Mignolet is starting!'

[Yozza]

Jurgen Klopp: Liverpool manager saying odd things - Chris Sutton


Liverpool manager Jurgen Klopp is "clutching at straws" by suggesting the club's history is affecting his players, says ex-striker Chris Sutton.

The Reds have not won in three games, including a 5-0 loss at Manchester City and draws with Burnley and Sevilla.

"If you look at the 125 years of Liverpool, then you can see the problem," said Klopp on Monday.

But Sutton, a Premier League winner, said: "He's said a few odd things. It's got nothing to do with history."

Liverpool are eighth in the Premier League, five points behind joint leaders Manchester City and Manchester United, and have conceded 14 goals in eight games in all competitions this season.

They are 18-time champions of England but have not won the league since 1990.

"I'm a big fan of Jurgen Klopp but I really don't know what he is talking about," Sutton, a title winner with Blackburn in 1995, told BBC Radio 5 live's Monday Night Club.

"I do understand Liverpool have a great history - but it is not relevant to this moment in time. It was an odd thing to say.

"Do you think the fans are talking about history or are they talking about the centre-half unable to defend set-pieces?"

Former Arsenal and England striker Ian Wright said players did not think about the history of the club they were playing for once they were on the pitch.

"All I was thinking about was I needed to score quickly to stay in the team," said Wright, who won five major trophies with the Gunners.

"I have been in teams when you're on a poor run and the opponents score an unexpected goal against you.

"You are not thinking about anything other than to get back into it. Not 'oh my gosh we're losing and what about our history'."

Liverpool travel to Leicester City in the third round of the EFL Cup on Tuesday (19:45 BST kick-off).

[Buzzo]

So basically in terms of clear cut chances against, on double figures, there is us, along with Stoke, Brighton, West Ham, Swansea, and Bournemouth.

Early days of course, but not exactly sterling company to be keeping.


And makes for very poor reading when we concede so many clear cut chances from being the team with the second least amount of shots against in the league.


I think the real story is that you don't need to create a lot of chances against us in order to score. Create three to four chances against us in a game and chances are good that you have a goal.

Our clear cut chances against percentage is more than double the league average. Is an awful statistic for a team looking to finish top four.

Maybe the real stat here is that opposing forwards always raise their game against us

Interesting stats which back up what we really already know. I don't think we do let opposing teams dominate us defensively, it's just that when we make mistakes they are catastrophic.

The issue here has to be concentration.

We are close to having a great team.

[Kenneth]

SO TRue, The Mig starts for United on Sunday and they would have been 1 nil behind to one of Everton's chances and then chasing the game.

it must be a 20 point swing the difference between having Mig and a De Gea in goal.

20 points

We're back on the keeper again. The difference between us and the joint league leaders/favourites is the Goalkeepers, or is it our centre backs, or is it out lack of clinical finishing up front, or is it the lack of a leader on the pitch? Have I missed any out?

[Buzzo]

Mignolet also saved us some points last season with some wonder saves v West Brom and Stoke in the run in. Or are we not allowed to count them?

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20 points

We're back on the keeper again. The difference between us and the joint league leaders/favourites is the Goalkeepers, or is it our centre backs, or is it out lack of clinical finishing up front, or is it the lack of a leader on the pitch? Have I missed any out?

I couldn't decide a number but thought if mig costs us a few games and De Gea saves them a few games then that fiigure might not be too wide of the mark.

yes you missed out a decent defensive midfielder and blaming Moreno but aprt from tyhat you have it covered

[Alex]

There is an old adage that a good goalkeeper is worth 10 points a season.

I think saying he cost us 20 points is a bit strong though, especially considering he only started half the games

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There is an old adage that a good goalkeeper is worth 10 points a season.

I think saying he cost us 20 points is a bit strong though, especially considering he only started half the games

yeh maybe your right......I did say 20 point swing so it was more of De Gea saving 10 points and Mig Costing us 10 points.

[Exiled_red]

It's not all down to the keeper, I'm not a fan or Mignolet or Karius, but I for me most of the blame lies with the defence and the DM (or lack of). You could put the best keeper in the world in our goal but with the comedy defenders in front of him we'd still be conceding a lot of goals. Look at the first goal last night, you can't blame the keeper for that if you keep giving up chances like that you will keep conceding goals, if you have a genuine world class keeper consistently making world class saves maybe he could save 1 in 5 of those. The big improvement is made by not giving those chances up in the first place .

[PTP]

I think atm klopp looks a bit lost at what to do...so far this season we have played 3 different keepers, 4 different centre backs, 3 different left backs and three different right backs.....and that's before we look at the mess we've had trying to get the balance in midfield sorted.

Im all for rotation/giving people playing time but 9 games in it's a bit extreme and it almost looks like he's just out of ideas and hoping something works

When it gets like this, I think it's best to just try and get back to basics. Pick your best/most balanced/solid side and stick with it. Try and have a run of games with it...and if changes are comforted making the most like for like swap and stick to it.

Right now, I'd prob say go

Mig

Gomez
Matip
Lovren
Robertson

Can
Henderson/wijnaldum
Coutinho

Mane (when he's back/ox as a direct replacement for pace until then)
Firminho
Salah

Pick that side, stick with it and let it settle

[labourRed]

I was thinking earlier today that maybe Klopp could do with a DoF in place as he had at Dortmund. I'm not too fond of them but if we could get the right body in surely it'd help not repeat the summer debacle.

[Le Chef]

Stick Flanno at right back- become a more solid - Get Can/henderson to park their arse in front of the back four and it gets solid still

[Buzzo]

Flanno was shocking last night.